Those Racist Fijians!

Fiji is clearly filled with a bunch of racists. They want their Miss World Fiji to actually look like a Fijian? The audacity!

But after Watters won the title,  she faced heavy backlash because of her mixed European/Fijian descent, and some said she did not look Fijian enough.

Hundreds of derogatory comments had to be deleted from the Miss World Fiji Facebook page, according to reports.

Of course I do not support placing derogatory comments on people’s Facebook page, especially 16 year old girls. That is rude and unchivalrous. (Although what is a 16 year old girl doing competing in a beauty contest anyway?)  I just post this as further proof of the PC double standard, ethnocentrism for me but not for thee.

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Filmer is the Conservative Times username for a paleoconservative political activist. For those of you who are unfamiliar with him, Sir. Robert Filmer (1588 - 1653) is a largely forgotten English political theorist who deserves more attention from conservative scholars. He was a (the?) main contemporary opponent to Locke and his social contract theory. Possibly as an artifact of Kirk, modern conservatives have largely stopped tracing conservative thought at Burke. This is unfortunate. A potential outcome of this is that you are just as likely to hear "conservatives" spouting Lockean silliness as you are liberals. Hopefully a revival of conservative interest in Filmer will be awakened by the increased interest in paleoconservatism.

38 thoughts on “Those Racist Fijians!

  1. Matt Weber

    But why does it prove a double standard? The article calls it an ‘ugly’ controversy. The commenters are all bemoaning the terrible racism on display. I think I’d have to declare the lefties consistent on this one.

  2. Filmer Post author

    Mr. Weber, I was not talking about the tone of the Yahoo article or the comments on the Yahoo article which are presumably not all from Fijians. I was referring to the reaction of the Fajians which is what the article is reporting on.

  3. Kirt Higdon

    Is it the official Fijian position that other people cannot be ethnocentric? This is not so much a double standard as it is an illustration of the word racist being emptied of all substantial content and used for mere name calling. It’s the same with fascist or anti-Semite or fundamentalist. Or to give an example of a “God word” rather than a “devil word”, the use of democratic to describe anything the user happens to like. Thus this paleo website denounces the Fijians as racist because of what some of them have said about their Miss World contestant, although the contestant doubtlessly won because she was picked by other Fijians. Is there any issue obscure enough that someone somewhere won’t use it as an excuse to call someone else racist?

  4. Alex Jones

    What exactly does a Fijian look like? Who arbitrates such matters? Are the Fijians the only group not to have descended from Africa and hence share no genes with any other group? What if your features are atypical but your ancestry Fijian? What if you are half-Fijian? Should it be Danes, Saxons or Normans who represent England? Or perhaps the indiginous population who were driven out?

    Please drop the eugenics nonsense. If two citizens of the same country have different rights based on the colour of their skin or their ancestry, then that is clearly and indisputably racism. As I recall, the Fijian constitution also contains racially-centred provisions, but I’m sure the Fijians would be the first to complain if any of their expatriates were disadvantaged by another country’s “ethnocentricity”. (Using a euphemism does not make such behaviour in any way less racist.)

    For someone claiming to be a conservative, you seem to be in possession of remarkably little common sense. I advise you seek to educate yourself somewhat more on matters before you pronounce upon them.

  5. Filmer Post author

    I thought this was obvious, but I am not condemning the Fijians for being racists. The title was facetious. I am pointing out the natural ethnocentricity of a group of non-white people, and making the point that had she been, by contrast, the mixed race winner of Miss World Ireland, and some Irish protested that she wasn’t Irish looking enough all Hell would break lose. If you deny there would be a differential response you are deluded.

    Kirt, you follow this website so you should know what we are up to. “Alex Jones” can be forgiven.

  6. Kirt Higdon

    What you are doing, Filmer, is trying to play “gotcha” with a meaningless word and with a supposed Fijian “double standard” for which no evidence is presented. But let’s suppose you got the Fijians. Wow, what a famous victory! Which obscure group are you going to go for next, the Easter Islanders? And as far as the Fijians being naturally ethnocentric, well some of them are and some of them aren’t. If all of them were, their Miss World candidate would not merely have failed to win the national contest, she would not have even existed.

    As for Savvy’s reproduction of Whitaker’s mind-numbing rant, I think that has been posted at least in part on altright about 2 dozen times or so.

  7. Matt Weber

    Well, it’s possible that Miss Ireland would produce a larger response, but I don’t know that Miss Moldova would. In any case, I don’t think the double standard is one of race but rather perceived development or evolution or something. White liberals really only care about what the first world is doing, and don’t really expect much of all the third world barbarians. It lines up pretty well with race because the first world lines up pretty well with race.

  8. Bruce

    Kirt, I don’t think he was trying to “get” the Fijians. I think he was trying to make a point but not to the Fijians. The double standard isn’t Fijian in origin.

  9. Jared

    “Please drop the eugenics nonsense. If two citizens of the same country have different rights based on the colour of their skin or their ancestry, then that is clearly and indisputably racism.”

    You see, what you described is the exact phenomenon happening in White countries (and only in White countries). Non-White “immigrants” are flooding in, and they get affirmative action, special rights and privileges, and free healthcare. So it looks like we have grounds for agreement here.

  10. Jared

    “As for Savvy’s reproduction of Whitaker’s mind-numbing rant, I think that has been posted at least in part on altright about 2 dozen times or so.”

    Good. It shows that more and more people are becoming aware of and opposed to White genocide.

  11. Matt Weber

    “The Netherlands is more crowded than Japan, Belgium is more crowded than Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve the RACE problem by bringing in millions of third-worlders and assimilating and intermarrying with them.”

    Except for, say, the NYT, which has an article bemoaning Japan’s xenophobic immigration policy every other week.

  12. Filmer Post author

    “What you are doing, Filmer, is trying to play “gotcha” with a meaningless word and with a supposed Fijian “double standard” for which no evidence is presented.”

    Kirt, you are getting my point exactly opposite. I am not criticizing a Fijian double standard. It is perfectly natural that a Fijian would want his beauty pageant representative to look like a Fijian. I am criticizing the Politically Correct double standard that would condemn to high Heaven the same perfectly natural attitude in a European country, take your pick which one.

    Again the title is facetious. I figured this was obvious. If it’s not, the explanation point should give a clue.

  13. RedPhillips

    What would a CHT thread be without Savrola the Wise telling us what we are doing wrong.

  14. Kirt Higdon

    Filmer, when Matt Weber pointed out that the “lefties” were bemoaning the terrible racism of the Fijians, you replied that the Fijians were the targets of your criticism about a double standard. When I indicated that the case against the Fijians was at least not proven and who cares what they think anyway, you deny that the Fijians were the objects of your criticism at all. So make up your mind, which is it?

  15. Filmer Post author

    Ugh! Kirt, you’re confused. Matt was commenting on the tone of the Yahoo article and the content of the comments to the Yahoo article. I said I was commenting on the reaction of the Fijians. That is what I was facetiously (not actually) calling racist. This really isn’t that complicated.

  16. Kirt Higdon

    OK, so you were just joking when you called the Fijians racist. I guess I didn’t get it because I consider any use of the term racist these days to be a joke, although not a funny one. I’ll try to do you one better. The Fijians are gay; look at those funny costumes they wear.

  17. Filmer Post author

    Kirt, I’m sorry I confused you with this clever new literary device I’ve come up with which I like to call sarcasm. Once it is wider use it will be easier to recognize.

  18. Jared

    “Except for, say, the NYT, which has an article bemoaning Japan’s xenophobic immigration policy every other week.”

    I’m sure you’re familiar with generalization and talking points. Obviously you can rarely say “nobody” is doing this or that, because somebody somewhere probably is. The point is that there is no widespread and concentrated effort by the anti-racists to demand “assimilation” and outside immigration in non-White countries. The reason for this, of course, is because it is self-hating anti-Whites who are orchestrating our genocide. If US immigration laws returned to pre-1965 status, then it wouldn’t matter very much if newspapers in some other country complained about it, at least not until Whites in the US started going along with it.

    The purpose of the Mantra is to make the point that White countries and ONLY White countries are being flooded with outside ethnic groups and facing genocide. People who are opposed to our genocide do us a great disservice when they nitpick at relatively insignificant portions of our talking points.

  19. Matt Weber

    If all you meant was that there is no large anti-racist or immigrationist movement in Japan, then you’re probably right. Both racism and anti-racism are Western things, no doubt. But the sentiment that I usually see from the right about this topic is that there is some sort of pan-Western vast conspiracy to destroy all white countries, via international as well as national avenues. Meaning that if Ireland, say, were to put a strict immigration policy in place, that all the other white countries would band together to isolate and force Ireland to conform. Maybe I’ve got that wrong though.

    But if that’s not the case, then genocide is a terrible term, implying as it does some outside action done to a populace. If the Irish vote themselves into a minority, well we can call that a lot of things, but genocide is not one of them.

  20. Bruce

    “Both racism and anti-racism are Western things, no doubt.”

    Matt, I don’t agree with you about racism (I agree that anti-racism is Western).

    The Ainu were seen by the Japanese as inferior, hairy barbarians. Toynbee makes a comparison between how Japanese treated the hairy Ainu and how Westerners treated black-skinned Africans.
    I think “racism” is a default human trait.

  21. Bruce

    “Both racism and anti-racism are Western things, no doubt.”

    Matt, I don’t agree with you about racism (I agree that anti-racism is Western).

    The Ainu were seen by the Japanese as inferior, hairy barbarians. Toynbee makes a comparison between how Japanese treated the hairy Ainu and how Westerners treated black-skinned Africans.
    I think “racism” is a default human trait.

    Arabs saw whites as analogous to undercooked bread dough and blacks as stupid and depraved because they were analogous to burned bread crust. I think Trifkovic covers this in Sword of the Prophet. Racism is not uniquely Western.

  22. Bruce

    For about a half-century now the elite have been doing it to us and pathologizing dissent on this topic. I don’t think it’s accurate to suggest that the Irish or anyone else are choosing this.

  23. Matt Weber

    True, but the Japanese don’t like anyone who isn’t Japanese, including Chinese and Koreans (whom they dislike the most), and don’t consider themselves having some sort of special brotherhood with other “Asians” or “East Asians”. This idea, that race is some great important thing that matters to people in their everyday lives, is a European idea. It is true that everywhere people form groups and hate other groups, for all sorts of reasons, but nowhere outside of Europe was this codified into some kind of ideology of race. Even in America, which has for historic reasons been as much of a racial experiment as we’ve seen, the intra-white ethnic divisions are the big ones that have driven events. The “people of color” mythology is yet another attempt to tape this rubric onto a group of people that have basically nothing in common.

  24. Bruce

    I don’t think I have a special brotherhood with other European-derived people. I think I have a (somewhat) common background and common interests, particularly in the context of a North American continent that’s rapidly being colonized by non-European peoples.

    It isn’t an important thing in people’s everyday life when you live in a normal, homogeneous country. I don’t “want” race to matter. It just does in the country I happen to live in.

    I’m sorry, I don’t understand the point you’re making in your last sentence.

  25. Bruce

    I’ve seen the point you make about the Japanese, Chinese and Koreans disputed recently but I can’t remember where. I’ll try to find it.

  26. Bruce

    Also, I’ve read that the ethnic Korean residents of Japan largely try to blend in to the Japanese population and, to some degree, are successful. In this case, racial similarity matters. If they were Africans, they couldn’t blend in.

    And we know how important race is/was in India. India isn’t a Western country.

    If by “racism” you meant “scientific racialism” then I agree with you. Scientific racialism is largely Western. I think that’s what Fleming is referring to when he says that both racism and anti-racism are modern heresies.

  27. Kirt Higdon

    By Jared’s reasoning, the 16th through 19th and early 20th centuries saw the working out of a great white plot to commit genocide on all non-white races not only be mass immigration of whites into non-white countries and continents but by active military and political conquest. That’s absurd, of course. Immigration is incentivized by rapid expansion of population combined with substantially better conditions and/or opportunities in the receiving as compared to the sending country. Many non-white countries, especially in Latin America, have incentives for immigration from the US and Europe but receive less than they would like (except retirees in some cases) because fertility in almost all white countries has gone below long term replacement level. If this is genocide, it’s auto-genocide by use of the contraceptive pill. Nobody is forcing this down the throats of white women; they’re demanding it and demanding it for free.

    Fertility is also falling among other races worldwide but predominantly non-white countries, with some exceptions like Japan and Singapore, are about a generation behind on the demographic downslope.

  28. Bruce

    Also, I’ve read that the ethnic Korean residents of Japan largely try to blend in to the Japanese population and, to some degree, are successful. In this case, racial similarity matters. If they were Africans, they couldn’t blend in.

    And we know how important race is/was in India. India isn’t a Western country.

    If by racism you meant “scientific racialism” then I agree with you Matt. Scientific racialism is largely Western. I think Thomas Fleming is referring to scientific racialism when he says that both racism and anti-racism are modern heresies.

  29. Bruce

    Also, I’ve read that the ethnic Korean residents of Japan largely try to blend in to the Japanese population and, to some degree, are successful. In this case, racial similarity matters. If they were Africans, they couldn’t blend in.
    And we know how important race is/was in India. India isn’t a Western country.
    If by racism you meant “scientific racialism” then I agree with you Matt. Scientific racialism is largely Western. I think Thomas Fleming is referring to scientific racialism when he says that both racism and anti-racism are modern heresies.

  30. Bruce

    Matt,

    Also, I’ve read that the ethnic Korean residents of Japan largely try to blend in to the Japanese population and, to some degree, are successful. In this case, racial similarity matters. If they were Africans, they couldn’t blend in.

    And we know how important race is/was in India. India isn’t a Western country.

    If by racism you meant “scientific racialism” then I agree with you Matt. Scientific racialism is largely Western. I think Thomas Fleming is referring to scientific racialism when he says that both racism and anti-racism are modern heresies.

  31. Matt Weber

    “I don’t think I have a special brotherhood with other European-derived people. I think I have a (somewhat) common background and common interests, particularly in the context of a North American continent that’s rapidly being colonized by non-European peoples. ”

    But that is just it…this is much too broad. I’d wager you have more in common with a black person in your town than you do with an Estonian. I have more in common with a Mexican who has some common sense than a white liberal with none. Race is not irrelevant, but neither is it very important. And while it is a common talking point that race is like an extended family, that doesn’t mean much in practice because familial relations don’t matter to people farther out than maybe second cousin, if that.

    Conservatives in America have more to fear from other whites than they do from any minority. Race talk obscures this simple fact for the purpose of getting us all to fight each other so we don’t fight the people who are really attacking us. I don’t really see how this particular abstraction has done us any good at all, leading as it has to our current situation.

  32. Bruce

    I’m not asking for mass immigration from Estonia. I have common interests with white Americans.

  33. Bruce

    Language and culture (in other words, ethnicity) matter. While ethnicity and race aren’t synonymous, they’re not separable either since they’re both a consequence of a shared history/common descent. To say that culture matters is to say that race matters. I don’t say that race is all that matters but it’s pretty basic.

  34. Bruce

    I’m not interested in identifying, organizing around and pursuing common interests with Estonians. Your point is a irrelevant to my views on what we should do here.

  35. Matt Weber

    But Estonians are white, so by your own account you share something in common with them that you don’t with Black Americans. I’m just wondering what, other than a set of biological characteristics, that actually is.

    As for common interests with white Americans, what are those? I’m curious because about 15% of white Americans despise us both and wish neither of us were ever born. Another 30%-40% don’t have that same level of hatred, but due to tribal identification will side with them in the case of any conflict.

    I just don’t see what race is supposed to add to our efforts. If you look at the things that blacks or hispanics are concerned about, they are pretty basic: jobs, education, security…things that any normal person is going to be concerned with. What is to be gained by an explicitly racial appeal, except pushing away those few non-whites that would otherwise agree?

  36. Bruce

    “But Estonians are white, so by your own account you share something in common with them that you don’t with Black Americans.”

    Yes, that’s right I do. So I’d accept my children marrying an Estonian but not an American black. My point was that the Estonians can take care of themselves so pointing out the limited number of things that I share with Estonians isn’t much of a gotcha.

    “What is to be gained by an explicitly racial appeal..”

    White people existing in the future. Better yet, white people existing and having the (demographic) capability to govern the own affairs and seek their own destiny.

  37. anmol

    I dont think racial problem and factors are important in competition ,a best player usually wins the game.

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