Should Texas Secede Poll

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27 thoughts on “Should Texas Secede Poll

  1. Kirt Higdon

    I think secession for Texas in itself would be a great idea if it could be done peacefully. It would not be worth a destructive war against the rest of the country, even in the unlikely event that Texas won. Also, I should really have no political say in it. I’ve only lived in Texas ten years. In my opinion, only natives or people who have lived in Texas at least 40 years should have a say in a matter that important.

  2. savrola

    Texas would be isolated like Rhodesia, one way or another.

    not like it would happen though.

    Only two things come out of Texas…

  3. roho

    Alabama has loads of natural gas, iron ore, ports, interstate 65 and interstate 20 & 10.

    Ofcourse we and all of the Gulf States should secede AGAIN!…..The Northeast should be abandoned to their medling culture, as well as the rediculous influence of California politics.

    The Northeast, California, and Chicago are poison to the constitution.

  4. Savrola

    yes plenty of natural resources, but nary a non-Scots-Irisher smart enough to build and run refineries or smelters and foundries.

  5. Christian Remnant

    Should Texas secede is different from does Texas have a legal and moral right to secede or should they secede if the federal government gave them a choice. Right now Texas should not secede given that it would mean military action by the federal government on Texas. On the hand if the U.S. were to invade Iran then that might be a good idea to secede then if the U.S. military is too preoccupied with neo-con invasions to do anything about it. Also there is a question of weather or not a majority of Texans would agree with the policy of secession. On the other hand out of all the states Texas I believe has the best chance of being able to secede. For one thing it has a wide area so it would be more difficult to occupy (Alaska might be better in this regard but is too liberal to actually do it). Most of Texas is in a separate power grid from the rest of the states. A good way to start being independent from federal tyranny is personal independence then having like-minded, pro-liberty people congregate in a sparsely populated town then make it into a community like the Afrikaner community of Orania.

    *By the way with sensitive posts like this, I have decided to go with a disguised name due to an employment situation where if they were to find out about views like these I would be fired and I am not financially to the point to be able to take that risk. I regularly comment on Conservative Heritage Times. If you want to know my true identity you can add me on Facebook using the website URL.

  6. roho

    Savrola…………do a historical websearch of Birmingham Alabama, and why it was called “The Pittsburg Of The South”?…….The EPA and globalist sent them to China.(I was raised in the steel mills.)

    Now we have no pollution or jobs.

  7. Sempronius

    Texas is barely half Anglo. Blacks and Mexicans make up the other half. Don’t have any data regarding fecundity, but a good bet is that the blacks and browns are more so than the Anglos.

    How is an independent Texas going to fight off 110 million hungry Mexicans to it’s south, while holding in check it’s burgeoning fifth column, along with continued hostility–increased once Texas is removed from the political calculus of the US–all at the same time?

    The infantile obsession grows ever more infantile and obsessive.

  8. Weaver

    Sempronius:

    Let us assume the best scenario. Our people begin to develop a group consciousness and organize politically on that basis. A growing sense of community develops among European Americans so that they develop a dedicated leadership and ever-growing ranks of activists. Their openly proclaimed goal becomes separatism. What would be the chance for a New America, our America, an America for ourselves alone?

    There are now some factors which promote separatism. The demographer William Frey has found that white working people are leaving California and moving into the Northwest, while blacks are moving back to the South, and Asians are becoming concentrated in cities on the West coast. Assuming that these patterns of settlement continue, and that current levels of immigration and differential birth rates persist, then by the year 2050. the territory available to European Americans for a New America would amount to perhaps as much as two-thirds of the present continental U.S. It is a certainty that by that year the Southeastern states from South Carolina to Louisiana will be dominated by African Americans, while the Southwestern states from California to Texas will be dominated by Mexicans.

    by Brent Nelson 1998

  9. Weaver

    It’s not even a matter of extremism / nationalism and what not.

    Living in a state that isn’t majority white would be very different from today’s society. In South Africa, once lauded as the “Rainbow Republic” there is very real oppression against the white minorities.

  10. Weaver

    Heartland Draws Hispanics To Help Revive Small Towns. Wall Street Journal.

    The married Latino men soon sent for their families. “The wave came fast,” says Davis Eidahl, Ottumwa school district superintendent.

    Mayor Uehling invited town officials, business leaders and the sheriff to form a “diversity task force,” which began to convene each month to address community concerns and challenges related to the absorption of the newcomers. Extending bus service to the meat plant and hiring bilingual staff for hospitals and clinics were among the early achievements.

    Mr. Uehling raised $30,000 from local businesses to open a “New Iowan Center,” a bureau attached to the state employment office with bilingual staff to help newcomers fill out job applications.

    I fear the only white majority areas will be little pockets and areas difficult to access or otherwise unwanted.

  11. Kirt Higdon

    Secession and the desire to live in an all white country are two different things. I don’t think the southern states seceded because southerners wanted to live in an all white country. Nor did the colonies seek independence from Britain for that reason. If I were to make a guess, I’d figure that the first state to successfully secede from the evil empire will be Hawaii.

  12. Weaver

    Kirt,

    I said white-majority. It’s akin to lying when you misrepresent another’s argument.

    The South lived in a time when whites were in power. The citizens then were white in most states.

    I jest in misrepresenting you with: I do not propose to disenfranchise blacks and return to that time. If such is your position, good day sir. I’m only teasing you :p

  13. Weaver

    If I wanted Founding authorities for wanting a white state, you know as well I that I could find them with ease. John Jay, abolitionists like Benjamin Franklin, critics of slavery like Jefferson. For the north’s invasion war: NUMEROUS Southerners (as well Northerners) who feared free blacks and even a moderate case could be built on Lee’s few recorded unPC comments.

    I don’t insinuate that you are not an honest man; I think you are.

    Regardless of where past authorities stood, we must choose our own way now. But I obviously don’t like how American historical authorities are misrepresented. They would be out fighting, guns in hand, if alive today, haha.

  14. Sempronius

    “Secession and the desire to live in an all white country are two different things.”

    Not necessarily.

    “If I were to make a guess, I’d figure that the first state to successfully secede from the evil empire will be Hawaii.”

    Racial inspired political separation for Asiatics but not for Europeans then, eh?

  15. Matt Weber

    Why Hawaii? It has no reason to want to secede. Alaska would be a better example, but I’m sure the feds would have something to say about that one.

  16. Weaver

    The irony is the movement Kirt mentions is discriminatory against whites. It isn’t racially neutral in the least.

  17. Kirt Higdon

    This started as a discussion about the possible secession of Texas. Texas is currently (as of the 2010 census) 45% non-hispanic white, so non-hispanic whites are not even a majority. Nor do they have a monopoly on positions of political power. There are hispanics (and some blacks) from top to bottom in positions of political power. These include the newest member of the US Senate from Texas, Ted Cruz, who is both hispanic and an immigrant, a Republican elected by an overwhelming majority. As I previously stated, I think the secession of Texas would be a good idea if it could be done peacefully and it never occurred to me that this would have to tie in with the expulsion of most or even a large number of my hispanic friends and neighbors in order to have a white majority.

    As far as why Hawaii might want to secede, it was once an independent Pacific kingdom conquered by the US in an early example of regime change. There has long been an independence movement in Hawaii which is very anti-white. It would probably be more powerful were it not for the election of Hawaiian BHO as the US president. Imperialism is its own revenge.

    And Hawaii will probably be the first state to achieve independence simply because of its geographic distance from the imperial homeland. Once the US can no longer afford its absurdly expensive and oversized navy, it will lose Hawaii and this has nothing to do with the islands being mostly ethnically Asian. If majority white and socialist Vermont wishes to secede, good luck to them too, but they don’t have the distance of half the Pacific between them and the Capital.

  18. Kirt Higdon

    This began as a discussion about the possible secession of Texas. Texas is currently (as of the 2010 census) 45% non-hispanic white, so non-hispanic whites are not even a majority. Nor do they have a monopoly on positions of political power. There are hispanics (and some blacks) from top to bottom in positions of political power. These include the newest member of the US Senate from Texas, Ted Cruz, who is both hispanic and an immigrant, a Republican elected by an overwhelming majority. As I previously stated, I think the secession of Texas would be a good idea if it could be done peacefully and it never occurred to me that this would have to tie in with the expulsion of most or even a large number of my hispanic friends and neighbors in order to have a white majority.

    As far as why Hawaii might want to secede, it was once an independent Pacific kingdom conquered by the US in an early example of regime change. There has long been an independence movement in Hawaii which is very anti-white. It would probably be more powerful were it not for the election of Hawaiian BHO as the US president. Imperialism is its own revenge.

    And Hawaii will probably be the first state to achieve independence simply because of its geographic distance from the imperial homeland. Once the US can no longer afford its absurdly expensive and oversized navy, it will lose Hawaii and this has nothing to do with the islands being mostly ethnically Asian. If majority white and socialist Vermont wishes to secede, good luck to them too, but they don’t have the distance of half the Pacific between them and the Capital.

  19. Weaver

    Kirt,

    Hawaii demographics:

    Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander: 9.4%.
    Asian: 41.6%
    White: 24.3%
    Two or more races: 21.4%

    -

    So, less than 10% of the population is to be given the state or special rights to it?

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  21. Kirt Higdon

    Sorry for the double post – that’s because my initial post did not take.

    Weaver, I’m not trying to arrange the political future of the Hawaiians. I’m not even trying to arrange the future of Texas and that’s where I actually live. I’ve merely stated my preferences with regard to Texas and given the geo-political reasons why I think Hawaii will make the first successful secession of any state. What arrangements the Hawaiians make is up to them. It’s not my business and should never have been the business of the US. If I ever return there (unlikely) it will just be as a tourist.

  22. Kirt Higdon

    Hysterical Lincoln-worshipper Glenn Beck was ranting on the radio this morning that secession was illegal and uneconomic and that secessionists were stupid and crazy. He certainly persuaded me what to do. I went to the petition website and signed the petition for Texas secession. Oh, the Beckster also expounded on the stupidity of giving the Feds your name, e-mail, and zip code in order to sign the petition – as if our rulers don’t have that information already.

  23. Sempronius

    Kirt is turning into the philo-Mexican version of the Jewish commenters Kyle K, Ronl and that other creep who’s name I can’t remember.

  24. Kirt Higdon

    Sempronius, most white Texans are philo-Mexican in the sense of interacting with Mexicans, Tex-Mexes, and other Hispanics in a friendly manner on a day-to-day basis. Of course, not wanting to be part of the evil empire does not equal wanting to be part of Mexico. Texas has been independent in the past and could be in the future.

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