Those silly secessionists

If you scroll down to the comments section of the numerous articles on the secession petitions, you’ll encounter much snark and attitude toward those of us who want to reclaim self-government. We’re ignorant, we’re racist, we’re treasonous – why, our motivations are CLEARLY anything OTHER THAN the motivations we state for supporting secession, which is to stop an out-of-control central government.

After all, who in his right mind would want to secede from an authoritarian regime that’s busily constructing a vast, secret infrastructure for the purpose of conducting citizen surveillance?

This regime, by the way, now has the power to arrest and detain American citizens as long as it wants. Who says the central government has that power? For one, there’s the Obama administration itself:

“The president strongly believes that to detain American citizens in military custody infinitely without trial, would be a break with our traditions and values as a nation, and wants to make sure that any type of authorization coming from congress, complies with our Constitution, our rules of war and any applicable laws.”

Yes, let’s make sure some government employee with a law degree assures us the i’s are dotted and the t’s crossed before we trash the law of the land. All in the name of “national security,” of course. What will Obama’s supporters say when Team Obama unleashes that power to crush dissent?

And I wonder what those supporters will do when he starts to reward his supporters in the name of promoting racial equality? It’s coming:

If your organization has a policy or practice that doesn’t benefit minorities equally, watch out: The Obama administration could sue you for racial discrimination under a dubious legal theory that many argue is unconstitutional.

President Obama intends to close “persistent gaps” between whites and minorities in everything from credit scores and homeownership to test scores and graduation rates.

His remedy — short of new affirmative-action legislation — is to sue financial companies, schools and employers based on “disparate impact” complaints — a stealthy way to achieve racial preferences, opposed 2 to 1 by Americans.

Under this broad interpretation of civil-rights law, virtually any organization can be held liable for race bias if it maintains a policy that negatively impacts one racial group more than another — even if it has no racist motive and applies the policy evenly across all groups.

What will Obama’s young white supporters think when they’re unfairly denied jobs? It’s going to happen – there’s no other way to make racial quotas work. Any racial imbalances in the workplace that reflect those of the school system – you have heard of the black-white performance gap, haven’t you? – will result in swift, harsh action.

Who remembers Obama’s gaffe last March, when, during a meeting with Russian Prime Minister Medvedev, he unknowingly whispered into a live microphone, “This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility.”?

You don’t remember that? Well, you’re about to find out just how flexible Obama can be now that he’s armed with a mandate as well as new, unconstitutional powers to impose his radical agenda.

Let’s see how silly secession appears then.

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15 thoughts on “Those silly secessionists

  1. aware

    Excellently stated. Secession or insurrection are frightening choices to come to. I hope economic collapse makes the choice for us. What a Thru The Looking Glass world creeping fascism backed by banking cartel fiat paper and debt slavery on an international scale has created.

    The urge to jump from the boat plainly about the smash into an iceberg at full speed is strong, and may even be the means of survival. But there are sharks in the cold water too.

    The Rulers will not just go quietly away. I would expect the unleashing of maximum violence against any successful secession, as always(Yugoslavia, Georgia, Confederacy).

    More likely is that the Rulers have a huge flaw in their way of running things, it requires more and more debt. Total collapse of their system is inevitable because it defies nature and natural law. Unfortunately a lot of people are going to be buried in the rubble.

    Ruling the world obviously takes more money than can be stolen, printed, borrowed, or digitized into existence. And all debt eventually achieves saturation levels. So the doom is baked in and only ever expanding debt has hidden it for decades now.

    Now is the beginning of the final phase when the political side of fascism implodes on decades of promises impossible to fund, and the “business” side chokes on decades of debt creation becoming irredeemable. The feeding frenzy is next when all try to grab all they can before its gone.

  2. HarrisonBergeron2 Post author


    Thank you for a thoughtful and well-written comment.

    While there are quite a few who claim to know what’s going to happen next, I’m not one of them. I know enough to know I don’t know that much.

    Still, as you say, the collapse of the evil empire is inevitable. The unsustainable can only sustain itself for so long. Then the bottom drops out.

    It may take just that before we re-organize along more rational lines. And this new interest in local self-determination may not come to anything. But at least we’ve planted the seed.

  3. Sempronius

    “Why, we could lick them in a month!” boasts the hot-headed
    Stuart Tarleton soon after the Confederates fire on Fort Sumter in
    Margaret Mitchell’s Gone with the Wind. “Gentlemen always fight
    better than rabble. A month — why, one battle.” At that point,
    young Mr. Tarleton’s naive and tedious boasting is interrupted by
    Rhett Butler, a rather darker character in Mitchell’s novel than
    the swashbuckling playboy created by Clark Gable on the screen.
    Butler coolly points out that the Southerners do not possess what
    modern strategists would call the industrial and logistical infra-
    structure with which a modern war must be fought — the cannon
    factories, iron foundries, railroads, and woolen and cotton mills
    that the North has in abundance. “But, of course,” he concludes,
    with the sarcastic smirk that is ever on his lips, “you gentlemen
    have thought of these things.” –S. Francis.

  4. Hawthorne

    There is always a misunderstanding about secession, always presented in a romantic light.

    Obviously, if South Carolina didn’t have a few states the Union would have to march through, the gentlemen wouldn’t have talked so, well, Internet like.

    The point of secession is that it could be used as a political tactic in the American Republic. Nullification then becomes a moderate position.

    But as the Southron’s wrote the Constitution in their coup against the Articles of Confederation, they chose not to include a secessionist clause so it remains just a steam valve.


    Lee chose not to go guerrilla. He chose an invasion rather than pure defense. West Point was clearly teaching Napoleon crap even back then.

  5. RedPhillips

    Semp, no one seems to think that if Scotland decides to leave the UK that England will invade them. Why not? But they assume if Texas leaves the Union will? Why is this? Secession is not a hostile act. It is a peaceful act. It is only hostile if the party being seceded from acts to keep the seceding party in the fold.

    To assume that secession will result in a war is counter-productive. Instead make the intellectual case that it shouldn’t.

    That said, I think it is much more likely that the Union enterprise will implode, like the USSR, than that states will leave first (except maybe when the Union is in it’s final death throws and states start jumping ship).

  6. Savrola

    I used to say the fictional secessionists of the ’80s or whenever Harry Turtledove amongst other was have his little run of succcess, were closer to understanding the necessary steps to secession than secessionists are, today.

    as in, the theoretical step one for secession: do not form political party, develop nuclear weapons instead.

    That might have been good advice in the ’80s and ’90s and maybe even in the last decade, but not today.

    Today you don’t even need a political party. All that inhibits secessionists is their own mediocrity.

  7. HarrisonBergeron2 Post author

    Red Phillips,

    Very true. If the bloody Soviet Union could break up in relative peace, why can’t the US? At some point (and maybe we’re already there!), holding the different sections together becomes more trouble and cost than it’s worth.

  8. HarrisonBergeron2 Post author


    “Have any of you secessionist thought about the procurement of modern, sophisticated arms?”

    We have them. Look at how the Taliban has stymied the forces of the Empire with its guns.

    An army of deer hunters would be a very formidable defense.

  9. aware

    Enjoyed immensely. And I too, believe that secession may be the last possible chance to save at least a part of America(now known as the US). But I still think the neocons and their bedfellows the Progressives would fight, as usual to the last drop of somebody else’s blood, to keep the Status Quo like the good little minions they are hired to be.

    It is the strangest of times since it is too late to avoid catastrophe, yet to early to drag out the guilty and shoot them. Besides, the guilty are in charge for now. They barely need an excuse to make you dead or take everything you’ve got just in the “normal” actions of State “justice”. Advocating dismemberment or overthrow, which is surely how they will see it, is the best excuse they could ask for. But just because I think it would be bloody doesn’t mean it might not be worth it.

  10. Weaver

    Secession though isn’t victory, it’s just a step towards victory. It’d be far easier for regular people to fight the wealthy elites in a smaller state. Many of the policies that are popularly unwanted are good money for lobbyists. It isn’t only ideological fanaticism and stupidity.

  11. Jethro Q. Walrustitty

    This shall pass, as will everything else. Take a deep breath. A year long deep breath. Nothing will change. Nothing does. Oh, and by the way, the crazy new agey 2012 “end of world” wackos will also fade into the distance. People just need to grow up and accept the flow. Why the fuck are people so up in arms over nothing? I laughed at the libs who wanted to secede or move to Canada when Bush was elected. I laugh now also at the crazy lunatic fringe cons. Don’t like your guy losing? Tough shit. You’ve got four years to whip up your fan base. Make hay in that four years. You might be surprised at what political advances you accomplish. Get a moderate like Christie into the Oval in 2016 and maybe in 2020 or 2024 you’ll get someone in like Palin! Just don’t put all your eggs in the secession basket or you’ll end up with eight years of Hilary!

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