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This is a great article. If Rudy wins with the support of conservatives, the movement will be no more.

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10 Responses to “Buchanan on Rudy and the State of Conservatism”

1. roho on 26 Oct 2007 at 5:02 pm #

   Awesome!…………………PB is still the same man that converted me in 1980 from an AFLCIO liberal to a conservative, and later to a paleoconservative.

2. Andrew T. on 26 Oct 2007 at 8:15 pm #

   This is totally on point. If they elect a pseudo-conservative like Fred Thompson or Mitt “Double Guantanamo” Romney, the decay of the conservative movement may continue at the same rate as it does now. If on the other hand they elect a total neo-Jacobin like McCain or Giuliani, then it is end of story.

3. csason on 26 Oct 2007 at 8:28 pm #

   “at the cost of one’s soul”

   There are many who aren’t willing to do that. I don’t trust Rudy’s
   willingness to fall away from prior ‘convictions’. We most certainly have Federal gun roundups, as soon as the next VT massacre comes along.

   Then what ??

4. ERIC on 26 Oct 2007 at 9:16 pm #

   The problem with the conservative movement is that the largest group within the republican party, the religious right/values voters fall for the lies of the second largest group within the republican party, the neocons.
   If the religious right would wake up and join forces with the Buchanan brigaders/paleoconservatives, we could overthrow the neocons grip on the republican party.
   You got the neocons vs the paleocons, and neither one of them are as big as the religious right/values voters.
   And in my opinion you are not going to win over the religious right/values voters with a full-blown libertarian candidate.
   The reason Pat Buchanan almost got the nomination in 1996 is because, first Buchanan was not a full-blown libertarian candidate, second Bob Dole was not a religious right/values voter candidate.
   The neocons almost made a huge mistake by backing Bob Dole.
   And I personally think the best thing that could happen for the Buchanan brigade/paleoconservative movement would be if the neocons unite behind Rudy.
   The religious right/values voters will not go for Rudy.
   The neocons need to be exposed to the religious right.
   Buchanan ought to sit down with the leaders of the religious right and wake them up.

5. Andrew T. on 26 Oct 2007 at 10:05 pm #

   Ron Paul is not a “full-blown libertarian” in the modal or doctrinaire sense, just like I’m not. He is very traditional in his personal life (has been married to his wife for 50 years), is staunchly pro-life, and is a serious federalist. I highly doubt that punishment of prostitution or hard drugs like cocaine would end under true state’s-rights federalism, and he also understands this.

   Ron Paul got an extremely strong 3rd-place finish at that recent Evangelical Values Voters Summit, and the only people that were allowed to vote there were those in attendance. That is a very, VERY good sign, ERIC.

6. ERIC on 26 Oct 2007 at 10:16 pm #

   “Ron Paul got an extremely strong 3rd-place finish at that recent Evangelical Values Voters Summit, and the only people that were allowed to vote there were those in attendance. That is a very, VERY good sign, ERIC.”

   There were 2 polls, an internet poll and a poll of attendees.
   That was the internet poll you are talking about.
   The poll of attendees had Paul at the bottom with Rudy and Mccain.

7. Andrew T. on 26 Oct 2007 at 10:25 pm #

   Wait, you’re right. I remembered there was some kind of a second poll there.

   Oh well. Tough to expect an abundance of fundamentalist Christians to get off the war machine and onto the liberty bandwagon (or in your case, ERIC, the lynchmobile).

8. roho on 27 Oct 2007 at 1:15 am #

   It almost borders on imposible to “re-educate” a christian conservative on the differences in a neocon and a paleocon when neocons are shoving Ron Paul into a corner with liberal “Cut and Run” voters, stating that libertarians and liberals are the same. They never miss an opportunity to point out that Paul was a LIBERTARIAN candidate at one time. When the christian conservative asks what a libertarian is, the response is usualy “They don’t believe in drug laws at all!”……….The christian conservative then runs towards the neocons in horror!……..I believe that 99% of U.S. citizens depend on peer knowledge for their voting decision, and HATE politics! I love Ron Paul’s message, but he needs a “SPEECH COACH” to help him in his delivery to the voter. Trying to get factual information out to the public in a debate of sound bites is killing him with uninformed voters that perceive it to be a high pitched rant!……………Sometimes even whiney. Right now he needs the public endorsement of MASTER COMMUNICATERS that repeat his policy, and define their reasons for supporting him……………….Otherwise, 10 years from now christian conservatives will be saying, “That little feller was right!”

9. Weaver on 27 Oct 2007 at 4:37 am #

   Andrew wrote:
   

   I highly doubt that punishment of prostitution or hard drugs like cocaine would end under true state’s-rights federalism, and he also understands this.

   Well, Paul needs to get this point across to voters.

10. randolph fuller on 28 Oct 2007 at 8:35 pm #

    Assuming Dr. Paul is nominated will the animosity now being stirred among Christian Right voters and pro-war conservatives(the flag and Bible crowd) be such that they will vote Democratic or stay home in November 2oo8? How can this distressing possibility be averted? The booing and ridicule he receives at the debates, while uniting us further, reveals a deep, seriou fissure in the ordinary Republican voter base.

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