Pat Buchanan at His Best: A Vote for Rudy = Perpetual War

Pat exposes the neocon war-hawks who advise Rudy Giuliani.

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38 Responses to “Pat Buchanan at His Best: A Vote for Rudy = Perpetual War”

csason on 10 Nov 2007 at 6:42 am #

What is up with Iranophobia anyway.. we have them saddled with airbases as it is..one stray scud, and the hounds of hell (courtesy of King George..or Rudolph as the case may present itself) would be at their door.

As it seems it won’t even require that. I don’t think it’s so much new
NATO members he invisions as drawing fire for the U.S., so much as it might be fresh new illegals with citizenship. He also comes from the day
when many soldiers were drafted by exchanging prison terms for duty..
now once he passes federal gun laws that make half the citizens criminals overnight…he’d be all set.

It’s very revealing as to who will be ‘in charge’ , but rather than get called anti-jew by Andrew.. I’ll just let everyone who has a brain read the article.
roho on 10 Nov 2007 at 2:45 pm #

As always, Patrick Buchanan takes the complexities and spin of politics and gives common sense solutions!………..”Iamanutjob” of Iran is NOT a threat to the United States any more than the mouthy Hugo Chavez. No leader has been any more of a threat to our culture as we know it than “Vincinte Fox”!………….He managed to invade our nation WITH THE BLESSING OF OUR GOVERNMENT!……Just as communism was defeated without a violent military exchange, the conquest of Anglo America by Latin America has been fulfilled. Perhaps Hezbolah and Hamas should simply lay down their weapons, migrate to Israel, and vote the Likud party out of existance. But then, the Neocons of Washington would NEVER allow a form of democracy to exist in our 51st State with that type of result.
Randy on 10 Nov 2007 at 10:21 pm #

Don’t worry everyone. Soon enough, things between the West and the East will all be settled at the Battle of Armageddon Valley. I entreat those of you who are not yet prepared, ought to do so soon. Because —–you will not have a second chance. To get prepared, I suggest you start at John 3:16 and Romans 10:9-13.

Remember, 100% of all Biblical prophesy of events to occur before this day have already been fulfilled. We thus can infer the prophecy of Armageddon that has yet to occur, will indeed be fullfilled. And hoefully in our lifetime!
Weaver on 10 Nov 2007 at 10:32 pm #

Surely it’s a sin to hope for such a thing. That the day will come should be enough.

Prepare for a battle with the East? How about we first save the West from herself?! The West is committing suicide as we write, and you warn us of foreign threats…
roho on 10 Nov 2007 at 11:03 pm #

Charlie Hill (Former Deputy to Sec. of State George Shultz) is the Guiliani campaign Chief Foreign Policy Advisor. He had signed onto a letter to GWB after 911 with other neocons urging, “Even if the evidence does NOT link Iraq directly to the attack, any strategy aiming at eradication of terrorism and it’s sponsors MUST include a determined effort to remove Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq.”…………………………More of the same for America?………..Welcome to “Pod” world!
ERIC on 10 Nov 2007 at 11:13 pm #

“Battle of Armageddon”

Known to me as a racial holy war that will start in America.
csason on 11 Nov 2007 at 1:10 am #

What has been as devastating as the invasion form the south of warm bodies, is the invasion of our socio-economic policy by the media giants..

Folks have just become stymied by a steady diet of wife killers and
starsluts..and frankly, it’s absolutley sickening.

I despair at how difficult it is to insulate children from the onslaught..I have two girls in a private Christian high school..and it is almost a daily struggle sometimes.
Andrew T. on 11 Nov 2007 at 4:48 pm #

ERIC,

There will never be a “racial holy war” in the United States. Ever. Never. Ever.

I can hardly give you a better textbook definition of evil than actually hoping and praying for such a terrible thing to happen.
ERIC on 11 Nov 2007 at 5:29 pm #

Andrew T

“hoping and praying”

Who said hoping and praying?
I didn’t.
roho on 11 Nov 2007 at 6:55 pm #

I’m starting to believe that a “Strategical Retreat” on the part of true conservatism is in order…………..As Hillary becomes crowned as Queen of the west, with Billy Bob her ambassader to the world, GWB will surface as the X-President embracing the new Royal Family just as his father did.

Few will catch the connection as “Her Majesty’s” Neo-Liberals and the present day Neocons work hand in hand to rid the world of those pesky Arabs!………….”At last”, they shout rejoicing at bilateral support across the aisle uniting the Democrats and Republicans in search of the “Holy Grail”.

The invasion of Iran will leave Putin no choice but to play the role that Mao did in the Vietnam and Korean conflict, causing “Her Majesty” to announce “Citizenship for ALL Mexican Nationals that join the military to fight for Liberty and Justice in the Middleast!” Border agents will be told to stand down as “the illegals are simply traveling north to be inducted into the military.”………………………………………..And our culture is toast.

So, I’m voting Ron Paul, while simultaniously looking at job opportunities in Alaska!
Weaver on 11 Nov 2007 at 9:11 pm #

Alaska’s not a bad choice, but British Columbia has a growing Chinese population and Alaska has a sizable Amerindian population.

What about West Virginia or Montana?

My only attachment is to South Carolina and the South in general. If the South is hopeless, I’ll find my way somehow back to Britain (which I”ve never been to.)
Andrew T. on 11 Nov 2007 at 11:56 pm #

Weaver,

I don’t quite get it. Why is everyone contemplating moving, again?
Weaver on 12 Nov 2007 at 12:23 am #

Andrew,

with all due respect I don’t get why changing demographics doesn’t bother you.

I think with enough immigration, chaos will ensue and folks will fall back somewhat on ethnic and religious lines, hence the holy racial war that Eric brings up.

I’m close friends with a number of folks from Zimbabwe and South Africa who went to school in the US and then remained after graduate. Why they can remain after graduating, I don’t know… but they do. Anyway, Zimbabwe backed a black nationalist “socialist” and South Africa wishes to slowly transfer property from the whites to the blacks. South Africa was meant to be the Rainbow Republic, and look what it’s teetering on (ethnic cleansing.)

Whites identify with the founding principles of America because they look like and hold a similar background to the founders. Some like myself are even partly descended from them. That slaves were here doesn’t mean that blacks will identify with those who enslaved them of course.

And so when you see me vainly crying out against immigration and considering backing Tancredo because he’s more sound on immigration, it’s because I fear the chaos, the balkanisation, and what Eric refers to as an inevitable racial holy war.

What ought to be done? Either conservatives take the federal government and reform the US ensuring that immigration is drastically reduced (Enoc Powell’s Rivers of Blood speech was over relatively very few immigrants), or the US is decentralised and parts of it allowed to peacefully secede.

I know you don’t view group ties in the same way and that Americans in general believe that acknowledging them is evil and racist, but I honestly can’t view politics from the American perspective, or from the European one which is even more globalist at least publicly albeit more rational. (Americans have legalist nationalism with fuzzy nods towards race and religion while Europeans seem to be more coherently global socialist, strongly rejecting religion out of reaction to Muslims though also seemingly quietly nurturing more right wing views. It’s as if the American mind refuses to function – I think Americans, yes including and especially whites, are the retards of the West. The Europeans don’t allow themselves to think on certain topics, but their thinking is at least coherent.)

I certainly don’t embrace strong centralised government as a result… but I’m fearful of what will happen to the civilisation of my ancestors and to my own friends and family. It’s nice I’m sure to be a part of a rising civilisation, but it’s a terrible thing indeed to watch as one’s own hastily commits suicide out of some Quixotic globalist dream. A nation of immigrants indeed! We’ll be a nation of the dead before long.

Side note, the incoherent blabbering doesn’t apply to you Andrew but rather to, for example, folks like Americaneocon and Mike’s America who are far more mainstream than we at CHT. Mainstream meaning their political thoughts have been reducing to cheerleading for the GOP team. They aren’t even ideological nationalists or legalist nationalists really; they’re cheerleaders loyal to a political party, incapable of natural loyalties or even of ideological loyalty.
Andrew T. on 12 Nov 2007 at 1:26 am #

Weaver,

Well, when ERIC says “Racial Holy War”, I can only think that he means mass violence. Is there another proper meaning for war?

I understand, of course, that people with different ethnic, religious, and ethical backgrounds and ways of knowing disagree and are well off if they remain (ethically and geographically) with others like them.

A prime beef I have with many of the folks here is that they’re not willing to defer to the clear evidence that simple liberty can solve so many of these cultural ills; they want to cut right to the intervention and quotas. Most of our current immigration problems deal with illegal immigration, therefore secure the border; and I see private ownership being a major step in that right direction. Most of our problems with free trade and outsourcing come from straitjacket nationalized agreements like NAFTA and CAFTA, which in effect are disastrous both to our economic sovereignty and ACTUAL free movement of goods across countries. The ripple effects of slavery are just that — FROM slavery. And the most powerful man in our country is a guy called Ben Bernanke.
Weaver on 12 Nov 2007 at 3:02 am #

Well, when ERIC says â€œRacial Holy Warâ€, I can only think that he means mass violence.

As do I… but I don’t mean I’d like it. Indeed, I wish to to prevent it.

Most of our current immigration problems deal with illegal immigration

Legal immigration is a major problem as well as guest workers.

A prime beef I have with many of the folks here is that theyâ€™re not willing to defer to the clear evidence that simple liberty can solve so many of these cultural ills; they want to cut right to the intervention and quotas.

Government is a major problem, but laissez faire is not the solution to everything. Man is fallen and needs government help to resist temptation, or to put it in modern terms: we’ve barely evolved beyond monkeys.
roho on 12 Nov 2007 at 4:17 am #

Violence is certainly inevitable………….Violence will be ushered in from the transition of recession to the 2nd great depression…….This was a GOD fearing nation of character and values during the last depression, but chaos and nomadic gang warfare will break out this time. The Los Angeles Riots will look like a party as the economy crashes and welfare checks stop comming………….It will not be like Katrina where one can simply relocate in any direction for 300 miles and recognize civilization again……..Marshall law will not allow decent hard working people to jump trains hobo style looking for work at a distance as they did in the first depression and instead America will go into a seige mentality………The intercities will be the most dangerous, and the smallest of rural towns the more safe……………..I think it will be ugly, but hope and pray that i’m an idiot and wrong!
Weaver on 12 Nov 2007 at 10:12 am #

Look at how the Jena 6 was handled btw. White Southerners are demonised. As conflicts erupt, we’ll be judged as fairly as were the Serbs. Blacks immediately sided with the Jena 6, and it was a blatant fraud. That boy got beaten severely even after unconscious and by a large group no less, and yet blacks view them as innocent because they’re black.
ERIC on 12 Nov 2007 at 12:57 pm #

Weaver

Very well said, I agree 100%
roho on 12 Nov 2007 at 1:55 pm #

I had a chance to read an article drawn from the perceptions of a local black minister in Jena………His position was that the plaintiffs had terrorized both black and white families for some time in the community and neighboring communities. Amazingly, his take on it from a justification perspective was “High School Football”!…………..These black athletes were pampered and spoiled from the time that they entered high school sports. Covering their a$$ in a progressive crime attraction, had become a full time job for local school officials and law enforcement in pursuit of sports victories!…………………….Prison football is making a come-back.
Andrew T. on 12 Nov 2007 at 8:47 pm #

Government can help at times, but not in the same way as rebuilding the American family. That has to happen.
csason on 13 Nov 2007 at 2:28 am #

So how does the American family get rebuilt, when the Feds seem to be doing all they can to destroy it..systemically to boot..?

I believe we are already in the middle of a racial holy war..

How deos one define what an actual racial holy war looks like..??

Would that mean that racially and culturally opposed entities sought
to harm and destroy one or both ?? Because if that is the criteria..then yes, it is going on.
Andrew T. on 13 Nov 2007 at 2:59 am #

csason,

If that’s how you define a racial war, then the American people are in the same “war” (now in a form milder than ever before) we have been in ever since the country’s foundation.
Weaver on 13 Nov 2007 at 6:58 am #

roho,

that sounds reasonable. What bothers me is the sheer number who continue to believe Jena held two standards for whites and blacks without bothering to learn the details. Equally as troublesome is the media which reported clear fallacies. I wonder if the town of Jena couldn’t sue the various MSM as well as Al Sharpton for slander and libel. Sharpton laughed all the way to the bank on that little exploit.

Csason,

establish separate schools (homeschool if necessary with help from the internet) and separate communities (with guard gates.) How to handle someone selling his house to someone who refuses to join the community, e.g. a hippie zealot convinced he must undermine the community: force. Run him out of town without harming him and then plead amnesia. Above all, do not build up any sort of militia because that will be blown up as a desire to attack others and will promote links to nutzis. Defense is important but at least at first such a thing ought to be handled delicately. I don’t think any high level of violence will be seen in the near future and the law wouldn’t currently allow a gang to run rampant through a community I think. Anarcho-tyranny is fierce, but it hasn’t reached anything near that level yet.
Weaver on 13 Nov 2007 at 7:08 am #

And though the internet would be used for schooling, computers and TVs oughten be used by folks in their own homes. They ought to be free to use them… but mass media is a major force of corruption. Radio as well.

Any sort of shortage of unskilled labor ought to be filled by the teenagers (as well as of course the soft headed.)

Such a thing is doable. There are a lot of folks right now who are trying as best they can to raise their kids on their own but without access to such a community. So, I reckon it’s only a matter of time before they get together with local friends and form schools and communities, while working in the rest of society. There’s no need for any sort of weird Internet gathering I think – just locals getting together along with a few outsiders who are willing to move though a bit of screening would be necessary to prevent unstable zealots from joining. Any sort of successful community needs to be a little exclusive when forming, weeding out the harmful potential members as best it can.
Weaver on 13 Nov 2007 at 7:15 am #

And, since I’m on a roll, I’ll add something said to me recently: birth control is really a greater threat than abortion to a society, though of course abortion as murder is a far greater sin. A healthy community would look down upon birth control and ban it as best it could. I’m not a “war on drugs” type, but if the community ought to at least frown upon such a thing and make obtaining a little more difficult. And of course explaining the rationale behind it would be essential. Scare kids with horrors of STDs and shotgun weddings to degenerate women after a wild night of drinking and a mistake with birth control. Lies wouldn’t be moral or helpful, since contact with outsiders would be frequent, but the truth is scary enough
csason on 13 Nov 2007 at 6:03 pm #

The ‘media’ teaches self obsession.

When I was a kid, it was nice if a girl or someone was ‘nice looking’
but more important was the obligation to community, I think.

How you ‘behaved’ was much more important than how you ‘looked’.

What is up, is down.
csason on 13 Nov 2007 at 6:04 pm #

insert

that was ok

after ‘nice looking’

and it might make sense..
Andrew T. on 13 Nov 2007 at 8:39 pm #

Weaver,

Damn, what have you been smoking today?

What on earth is the problem with birth control? Couples can’t have sex for the sake of enjoyment? 6.7 billion people already makes for a mad dash to obtain resources and living space; overpopulation isn’t getting to be smaller problem, and few things can work to contain it better than the average married couple dedicating to only having two or three children.
Weaver on 13 Nov 2007 at 9:05 pm #

csason, yes that makes perfect sense.

Andrew, demographics is destiny. Close the borders and then attempt to regulate population.

Birth control also leads to more sleeping around.

1. Sex creates emotional ties so that husband and wife are closely bonded.

2. multiple partners means there is less regard for whom one sleeps with. Those who would not normally sleep together do (potentially dysgenic). And occasionally unwanted children result who are truly unwanted. An unwanted bond is formed between parents, and, unless the child is murdered, it remains eternally.

3. having multiple partners spreads STDs.

4. having multiple partners leads to perversion and an overemphasis on sex, causing people to be more likely to give into temptation and cheat (resulting in betrayal of marriage, new unwanted emotional ties, and of course STDs and even unwanted bastards.)

—

Isn’t there more to life than sex?
Weaver on 13 Nov 2007 at 9:07 pm #

Andrew,

what do you think of this Canadian pop hit?
Andrew T. on 13 Nov 2007 at 9:35 pm #

Birth control is an inevitability in a growing world. It doesn’t have to mean infidelity on necessity (a moron would trawl around whether or not he is safer in doing it); it just necessarily means responsible, healthy population control.
ERIC on 13 Nov 2007 at 9:57 pm #

Andrew T.

I know many women that don’t really worry about sexual diseases but worry a lot about pregnancy, and those women sleep around big time because they are protected from pregnancy through birth control pills.
Your Libertarian ideology blinds you of some things.
Weaver on 13 Nov 2007 at 9:58 pm #

Andrew,

close the borders and then I’ll agree with you in part.

As things are, Westerners are being bred out of their lands. Those who reproduce replace those who do not; it’s a tragedy of the commons in that those who act against the communal best interests gain. Those cultures and genes that promote high birth rates will thrive in a liberal society.
Andrew T. on 13 Nov 2007 at 11:43 pm #

ERIC,

I know of many men that don’t care about the protective benefits of firearms ownership; they want to use guns to rob banks and convenience stores. They’re not like non-morons, who use guns to protect their lands and loved ones. Birth control is similar; it can work for the good, and it can work for the profane.
Andrew T. on 13 Nov 2007 at 11:46 pm #

Weaver,

Most of the problem is illegal immigration. It really is.

The pro-amnesty President Reagan should have learned that one.
Weaver on 14 Nov 2007 at 2:29 am #

Heh, maybe in that regard the mainstream candidates really are more like RR than Dr. Paul (they’d grant amnesty.)

At the same time… I wonder what America would do if Mexico refused to take back its millions and even built a border fence of its own. A sudden flood of, some estimates say 30m?, would surely wreck havoc on Mexico’s economy (made up currently of ~105m.) Do we then do as was suggested in Camp of the Saints: put them out on a barge, declare their floating barge a sovereign state, and admit it into the UN? Heh, I mean these people are here living and working illegally – it’s truly a mess.
csason on 15 Nov 2007 at 12:30 pm #

I’m all for birth control.. we should give it to the Chinese, Genetically infuse into all UN food projects going to Africa, and force all illegals to have a
10 year implant.
ERIC on 15 Nov 2007 at 3:08 pm #

“Iâ€™m all for birth control.. we should give it to the Chinese, Genetically infuse into all UN food projects going to Africa, and force all illegals to have a
10 year implant.”

In that sense, I’m for it too.
Don’t forget blacks in america on your list, they are the highest percentage of out of wedlock births.

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