…one that you don’t really know

The Drone Ranger: Obama’s Dirty Wars

George Bush, a bit more squeamish than Obama, never did that; but Mr. Obama felt those decisions were the president’s responsibility: he want[s] to keep his own finger on the trigger,” according to one report.A tidy, scheduled man, the President only picks his victims once a week, now called “Terror Tuesday
On October 14, 2011, in Shabwah province, Yemen, Abdul, went out with his cousins and friends for a good old US-style barbecue, when Obama’s drone fired a rocket, blowing the teenager to pieces…

Obama’s minions tried to cover up the hit on the teenagers.  Attorney General Eric Holder informed Congress of the killings by writing that U.S. drones had blown up Anwar al-Awlaki, the crazy cleric and three other Americans who “were not specifically targeted.”

Holder’s comment makes it seem that Awlaki’s son was blown up with him—a sad case of ‘collateral damage.’

But are you ready for this?  The teenager—along with his cousin and friends—was killed two weeks after and hundreds of miles away from the site where rockets killed his father…

I am convinced the hit on al-Awlaki’s son was meant to teach a lesson, If you want to be a martyr, we’ll make your son and your mom and daughter martyrs too. 

Such terror-for-terror can be, I’ll admit, quite effective.  During the Ronald Reagan years, that gutless faux-cowboy President sent weapons to Ayatollah Khomeini in return for the release of hostages taken by Hezbollah.  The Russians got their hostages home another way.  The USSR didn’t accept an arms-for-hostage deal. Rather, the KGB systematically assassinated the hostage-takers’ cousins, mothers and brothers one by one—until Hezbollah released all the Russian hostages.

The narrative, particularly strong on the various forms of the ‘right’, portrays Obama as a disengaged (seen as a positive), perhaps, lightweight, a product of his managers.  Even the most frustrated paleo noted that George W. would mock the “neocons” Kristol and Krauthammer, by calling them the Bomber Boys.

Obama is something new; I am not sure what.  I know Presidents in the past have made Executive Decisions (e.g. Diem in Vietnam), but this, this is something new as it’s quasi legal, does not involve the elimination of Executives and in this case,  Anwar al-Awlaki, had been invited to the Pentagon in the months after 9/11, and apparently, this is a weekly event.

The Italian (or Sicilian) Mafia was able to provide a certain order (at least according to myth) by agreeing that families were off limits.  It was the arrival of the Russian Mob to Brighton Beach (thank you, Senator Scoop Jackson, arch neocon!) in alliance with NY Politicos (looking at you Guiliani, Schumer and D’Amato)  that did in the Italians, and allowed the rise of the Russian Mob, and the death of the ‘family off limits’ ethic.

Anyway, read the article.

Geto Boys, D-mn it Feels Good to be a Gangster  (a worthwhile “rap” video from 1992–linking to the relatively clean version)

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22 thoughts on “…one that you don’t really know

  1. Feltan

    Hawthorne,

    I had read this earlier, and despite the inflammatory rhetoric it left me rather unimpressed and indifferent.

    First, I think we need to get away from talking about drones as if they are magic starships. A drone does the same thing a manned aircraft does, except it is smaller, quieter, has shorter range, is slower, and carries a smaller payload. The great advantage to drones is that it does not put aircrew members in harms way.

    If a military action is warranted with a manned aircraft, it should make no difference if a drone does the attack instead. If the attack is unwarranted, it makes no difference which type of vehicle is used to carry it out either.

    Unfortunately, confusion abounds in these discussions because somehow drone strikes are seen as more sinister — and that gets mixed up with whether the attack was really warranted in the first place. Just look at the title of the article you posted — the author doesn’t really separate the issue of drones from the fact that the President is (and has been) targeting individual people for death.

    Whether it is an F-16, a sniper, an artillery barrage, a bottle of cyanide laced water, or a car bomb — the mechanism makes no difference to me.

    The crux of the issue is that our Government has reserved the right to kill anyone, anywhere for what ever reason they see fit in the absence of oversight, a declaration of war or a warrant.

    Regards,
    Feltan

  2. Hawthorne Post author

    I might (wait, would) agree that bombing from 30,000 feet is feminine, but you did not really attempt at that point. Drones are feminine, and witness the result. Snipers, feminine? I might go along with that–certainly some very public examples…

    Makes no difference to you?

    These are low level wuss targets, not Executives–doesn’t that give the game away?

    You do raise a good point–droning is certainly more “humane” then mass bombing. A Bush could mass bomb; Clinton could starve people. bomb at a high level, or lob some random cruise missiles–because theoretically, there is a target.

    Your last point misses the point: the machine still needs to clear the system so it selects those who will give final approval–”legal” approval.

    Obama is something different–it would appear–though lets wait for the movie…

  3. RonL

    Al Qaeda and Islamists are not the Mob. They have no honor. They murder and rape children. There is no off limits with them. Killing their teenage progeny, who are in on the the project, isn’t just proper, its moral.

  4. thaddeus

    Well, given that the Arabs are being pushed out of their historic homelands, that foreign troops are occupying their nations, that those occupiers are killing their women and children, and people have the kind of attitudes toward them that these unhinged, genocidal remarks indicate…

    Killing their teenage progeny, who are in on the the project, isn’t just proper, its moral.

    …the reaction of the Arabs is pretty understandable.

  5. thaddeus

    RonL’s remarks remind me of a clever phrase I heard a while back:

    “The Jew cries in pain as he beats you.”

  6. Weaver

    Ron, an Islamist meaning a Muslim has no honour?

    I don’t see how you can call Dr. MacDonald anti-Semitic if you hold views like that.

    I just want Islam out of Western societies. I don’t have this hatred for it.

  7. Sempronius

    I think Ron may be confusing the Koran with the Talmud. No need to be hard on him for it; it’s an easy mistake to make, it happens all the time.

  8. Hawthorne Post author

    I don’t understand RonL’s comment (unless the odd chance he is using the Obama as secret Muslim meme) but I wasn’t suggesting an analogy between the jihadists and the mob, I was pointing out the Executive adoption of a foreign ethic.

  9. Feltan

    Oh, I hate it when an offensive comment gets removed before I have a chance to see it!

    Regards,
    Feltan

  10. RonL

    Theddeus,
    “Well, given that the Arabs are being pushed out of their historic homelands,”

    Unless you mean South Asian cheap labour, help, and prostitutes in Arabia, I don’t know what you are talking about.

    “that foreign troops are occupying their nations,”
    American troops have mostly pulled out. Sure we have some bases in Kuwait and Bahrain, but we were invited.
    The real occupation and colonization is of Europe, and parts of the US.

    “and people have the kind of attitudes toward them that these unhinged, genocidal remarks indicate…”
    YOu really are mentally unhinged. I was talking about Al Awlaki and his spawn, not Arabs in general.

    PS Given your pathalogical hatred of Jews, I find it hillarious that you have chosen an Aramaic name like Tadai.
    —————————————

    “I think Ron may be confusing the Koran with the Talmud. No need to be hard on him for it; it’s an easy mistake to make, it happens all the time.”
    Sempronius , clearly you have read neither.
    But my position is not based on either. Actually, it is something the Romans would understand. Oderint dum metuant

    ==================
    Hawthorne,
    I was dealing the sillines of a romantic notion of mob rules to suicide bombers.

  11. RonL

    Weaver,
    An Islamist is a Muslim who wishes to impose Sharia. It’s not a perfect usage, since this is normative Islam. Look up “Salafism”.
    People who use suicide bombers, including rape victims, children and retards as such fodder have no honour.

    http://www.danielpipes.org/12847/islam-vs-islamism
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafist_jihadism

    “I don’t see how you can call Dr. MacDonald anti-Semitic if you hold views like that.”
    I was talking about a subset of Muslims. Good grief.
    You sound like a leftist screaming racism, when someone makes a Bin Laden joke.

  12. Weaver

    To be honest, I didn’t at first see how Ron’s comment fit into the thread. I see now. I’d just picked up “no honour” with “Islam”.

    I’m often rushed when posting comments here. Sometimes I write with careful insinuations here, oftentimes I do not, which ruins the former.

    Just to clarify: I have a great deal of respect for Dr. MacDonald.

    But I also respect Ron. I don’t think he deserves the treatment he gets in the comments here. I recall once he’d posted the Harvard speech by Solzhenitsyn at another university site. That alone is praiseworthy. And he’s straightforward here I think.

  13. thaddeus

    Given that RonL’s remarks have been permitted to remain, which literally call for the killing of teenagers, I cannot comprehend any calculus by which Savrola’s comments, which refer to a historic event, were deleted.

  14. thaddeus

    RonL, by “pushed out of their historic homelands,” I mean Palestine, of course.

    And there are still plenty of troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, and throughout the region. As for those troops being invited, those Muslims who are, indeed, occupying and colonizing the West were invited too. The wishes of governments and the people they govern are often at odds, as we all know.

    They should leave Western lands, and we should leave theirs. Plain and simple.

    I have no “pathological hatred” of Jews. I’ve praised numerous ones who have made constructive contributions to traditionalist thought, in one fashion or another, sometimes despite themselves (Norman Finkelstein, Glenn Greenwald, Ben Shapire). I simply hate what they’ve done to the West — which is, in fact, a colonization, and of the worst kind, because it is a colonization of the culture itself.

  15. RedPhillips

    Sav, even though your statement is likely to get removed, what do you have against bow-ties? Bow-ties can be quite a power statement. Think old school WASP elite.

  16. C Bowen/Hawthorne

    Colin Liddell has a relevant article on the Iranian elections–posting the part relevant to this piece:

    http://alternativeright.com/blog/2013/6/15/iran-throws-a-curveball

    “As we already know in the West, politics is all about presentation. If you want to drone babies in the Middle East you can’t very well do it with a cowboy hat on, hollering “Yee Haw,” which is loosely the impression that George W. Bush gave off.

    Instead you need to get in a crypto-Muslim mulatto house boy to wrong foot the Liberals and rag heads, then you can go right ahead and drone away. The same technique also applies with regard to imposing an increasingly Orwellian police state: no one believes a doofus like Obama could ever be Big Brother, so who better to front the actual process?”

  17. RonL

    Thaddeus,
    18 year olds in the army are “teenagers”. A teenage boy taken on Jihad is a mujehadeen, not a bystander.

    I do wish I knew what Savrola wrote.

    “RonL, by “pushed out of their historic homelands,” I mean Palestine, of course.”
    Most ersatz Palestinians are descended from migrants who came to Palestine from 1890 to 1946.

    “And there are still plenty of troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, and throughout the region. As for those troops being invited, those Muslims who are, indeed, occupying and colonizing the West were invited too. The wishes of governments and the people they govern are often at odds, as we all know.”
    I am sorry that you refuse to undestand the difference between an army base and colonization.

    “I have no “pathological hatred” of Jews. I’ve praised numerous ones who have made constructive contributions to traditionalist thought, in one fashion or another, sometimes despite themselves (Norman Finkelstein, Glenn Greenwald, Ben Shapire). ”
    The first two are anti-white leftists. Who is Ben Shapire?

    “I simply hate what they’ve done to the West — which is, in fact, a colonization, and of the worst kind, because it is a colonization of the culture itself.”
    And yet you choose a Jewish name as a moniker?

  18. Savrola

    Bowties may have looked ok on the WASP Elite. they look rather pathetic on their triple-chinned descendents.

  19. Hawthorne Post author

    Weaver;

    RonL wrote as if my point was that the jihadists were like the mob. By all accounts, I think this is a fabricated interpretation to steer it towards better ground for himself; as he is smart, and can read, I believe this is a logical observation.

    On a couple threads ago, he refused to demonstrate a consistent use of the word “traitor” by again, taking time out of his life to post a reply to a phantom question. He seems incapable of saying that Bill Kristol, Dick Cheney, Michael Ledeen, Doug Feith et al are traitors by his stated definition. He can play the “blissfully unware” of the Clased Closed leak, or the forged Nigerian Uranium Documents, all he wants, but again, he is too up on current events to not know.

    That is slippery–and really not polite.

    I was clear, I thought, in calling out certain NY politicians for associating with Russian Mob figures (and for the official record over at USG, I cited Thomas Friedman), while focusing judicial power at the Italians–the importation of the ethic into government. Even in Scarface, Al Pacino pulled the plug on a bombing when he saw a family was going to get hit, rather than just the mark.

    Are we to believe RonL missed as much?

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