Posted under Election 2008 & Ron Paul
Let’s be clear: we have lost this war. We have lost because the initial, central goals of the invasion have all failed: we have not secured WMDS from terrorists because those WMDs did not exist. We have not stymied Islamist terror – at best we have finally stymied some of the terror we helped create. We have not constructed a democratic model for the Middle East – we have instead destroyed a totalitarian government and a phony country, only to create a permanently unstable, fractious, chaotic failed state, where the mere avoidance of genocide is a cause for celebration. We have, moreover, helped solder a new truth in the Arab mind: that democracy means chaos, anarchy, mass-murder, national disintegration and sectarian warfare. And we have also empowered the Iranian regime and made a wider Sunni-Shiite regional war more likely than it was in 2003. Apart from that, Mr Bush, how did you enjoy your presidency?Â
McCain, for all his many virtues, still doesn’t get this. Paul does.
Paul, moreover, supports the only rational response: a withdrawal, as speedily and prudently as possible. McCain, along with Lieberman, still seems to believe that expending even more billions of dollars to prop up and enable a fast-devolving, ethnically toxic, religiously nutty region is somehow in American interests. Given the enormous challenges of the terror war, the huge debt we are piling up, the exhaustion of the military, the moral and financial corruption that has its white-hot center in Mesopotamia, I do not believe that an endless military, economic and political commitment to Iraq makes sense. It only makes sense if we are determined to occupy the Middle East indefinitely to secure oil supplies. But the rational response to oil dependence is not to entrench it, but to try and move away from it. Institutionalizing a bank-breaking, morale-busting Middle East empire isn’t the way to go. – Andrew Sullivan
One problem is that from my debates at other “conservative” sites, McCain is not the only one who still ”doesn’t get it.” All we can do is pray and keep fighting the good fight of persuasion.
Andrew T. on 17 Dec 2007 at 8:59 pm #
Andrew Sullivan is a strange one. Not a U.S. citizen, gay, functionally pro-war (though not blind to the incredible failures of the current policy), anti-death penalty… Of course, I have sympathy for anyone that is HIV-positive as he is.
I’d imagine that he would more readily go for Giuliani, were it not for Giuliani’s foreign policy.
ERIC on 17 Dec 2007 at 11:03 pm #
This fag likes that Paul won’t ban gay marriage at a federal level. He knows if its left to the states he can marry his fag-other in a state that allows it.
If you don’t amend the constitution there will be loopholes.
Andrew T. on 18 Dec 2007 at 12:05 am #
ERIC,
Did we catch you at an angry time?
Weaver on 18 Dec 2007 at 1:06 am #
Eric,
If you want to fight the culture war, fight the public schools. And Paul is best on them. There just isn’t a better candidate than Paul who has a chance. Tancredo and Hunter are at 1% last I checked…
Who is better than Paul who has a chance? Who else will return education to the states?
You say you want to use federal power, well you can do that… when you have a movement. Currently, there are no white nationalist or traditionalist movements to speak of. The best bet currently for fighting the culture war is decentralisation. Allow a movement to develop via decentralisation, and then you can take the reigns of power.
Have you seen any other candidates oppose this: ‘Homegrown Terror’ Act an Attack on Internet Freedom??!
There will be little hope of any sort of movement if the others get their way.
Andrew T. on 18 Dec 2007 at 1:35 am #
I don’t know if ERIC will be convinced. The sonuvabitch wants a dictatorship.
ERIC on 18 Dec 2007 at 1:54 am #
Weaver
That is exactly why I will support Paul.
If I can’t get 100%(Tancredo) at least I can get something from Paul.
You are very right, strip the powers that be, then create a movement from scratch and then gain power.
Bible Believing White Nationalism
Weaver on 18 Dec 2007 at 3:11 am #
Glad you agree
I’m not overly enthusiastic about Paul, but I am terrified by his opponents and the direction the US is heading.
And Paul offers us a way to attack the globalist powers-that-be, be it the federal reserve, judicial tyranny, the supranational orgs, anarcho-tyranny, the military-industrial complex, or the awesome power the president now wields.
Such an assault could hopefully break some of the chains that hold the West down. Paul is no Buchanan, but he’s no Giuliani either.
Andrew T. on 18 Dec 2007 at 4:41 am #
You’re right that Paul is no Buchanan. Pat Buchanan has abysmal misunderstandings about economics.
jamesvkruse on 18 Dec 2007 at 1:22 pm #
For once, I’d like to see a candidate running for President with economic views similar to Schumacher, Chesterton, and Belloc. Anyone out there like that?
Andrew T. on 18 Dec 2007 at 4:38 pm #
No.
Weaver on 18 Dec 2007 at 7:09 pm #
No one yet, but they are being read by several different political types, though I can’t help but laugh when thinking of such people working together. You’ve got Catholics, Protestant traditionalists, populists resentful of the corporate elite, nationalists (incl the BNP of Britain), and ethnic groups who wish for a larger slice of the American pie. It sounds like a Ron Paul rally
There was supposedly an economist who influenced Pope Leo XIII, though I can’t find his name just now.
Patroon on 18 Dec 2007 at 8:58 pm #
Remember when the state was involved with marriage at all?
Why can’t we go back to that? Ron Paul thinks we should. Rudy Guliani shouldn’t be able to marry anyone, at least with a straight face.
Weaver on 18 Dec 2007 at 9:46 pm #
We sure didn’t want Utah practicing polygamy… I wonder how the ban was enforced in Utah.
roho on 19 Dec 2007 at 12:06 am #
Sullivan may very well understand the progression of tyrany?……First they go after the very,very, most undesirables. And then the very most undesirables, and then the most undesirables, and then the undesirables, and then the……………………………………..desirables!