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We’ve been doing our darndest to expose “Neocons†for what they are – anti-Western, anti-traditional ex-Trotskyites hell-bent on reconstructing first America and then the world. Instead of using proletarian-backed socialism to foment world revolution, they now use globalism, a much more effective tool. The name “Neoconservative†is for public consumption only, because, as pointed out in 60’s radicals in business suits, their beliefs and goals remain purely leftist.
Now, one of them has come clean. It’s Americaneocon, whom I outed from his not-so-clever masquerade as a “Burkean†some time back. He continued, comically, to maintain that he is the true conservative, but with his latest entry on Neoconservatism, he’s blogged himself into a corner.
Here’s the peroration of his latest post, which, appropriately, reviews a book on Neoconservatism entitled, “They Knew They Were Rightâ€:
Current U.S. foreign policy will be vindicated in the sweep of history (and success, near at hand now in Iraq, is irresistable as a force for progressive change). I make no apologies. This is how I am; this is what I do [sic]
Now, how many real conservatives would celebrate “a force for progressive change� How many would use Marxist-sounding jargon such as “the sweep of history†and “irresistible force� And how many would forget to use a spell checker (irresitable?) or mangle their punctuation as much as Americaneon? Is he talking about the US Armed Forces, or the Red Army? Of course, if the Neocons triumph, our own soldiers will continue to do the work of the Red Army abroad, and sooner or later, at home as well.
csason on 18 Jan 2008 at 10:28 pm #
I can just hear McCain’s first Estate of the Union address..
“We need 100..no 200,000 more police..yeah that’s the ticket… ”
The hardest tracks to cover are those of shame and remorse…especially
the secret variety.
Still, they deserve no quarter.
ERIC on 18 Jan 2008 at 10:38 pm #
And the neocon candidate (Mccain) is leading in the polls IN A SOUTHERN STATE, South Carolina.
Go figure.
HarrisonBergeron on 18 Jan 2008 at 11:15 pm #
The local powerhouse radio station here in Charlotte, WBT, has a very popular talk show that reaches deep into the South Carolina Upcountry. The host, Jeff Katz, is very pro-Southern, and has been dragging McCain over the coals for his slander against the Battleflag, as well as for his support of amnesty for illegal alien invaders. I tried calling in, but the lines were jammed. Most of the callers I heard supported Katz and his pro-South position.
Andrew T. on 19 Jan 2008 at 12:05 am #
I’ve got a new way to get neoconservatives riled up…
Call their foreign policies “neocon solidarity”
Americaneocon on 19 Jan 2008 at 2:35 am #
“….whom I outed from his not-so-clever masquerade as a “Burkean†some time back….”
Sorry to break up your self-flagellation, but nobody “outed” me, as I’ve made clear in my own posts:
http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2007/10/welcome-to-american-power.html
The truth is, Tuggle, you’re obsessed, and your little pea-brained paleo ideology’s been repudiated at the polls, with Paul’s thrashing at the hands of real, reasonable voters (who don’t wear tin hats).
Besides, if you knew something about NEO-conservativism, you’d know there’s nothing contradictory about “progressive change,” not to mention revolutionary, at least in foreign affairs.
Oh, the war’s been won:
http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2007/11/victory-in-iraq-war-has-been-won.html
And paleocons over at AmCon can’t stand it:
http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2007/12/preventive-strike-declaring-war-on.html
Better break out the Vaseline, before you hurt yourself over-stroking
csason on 19 Jan 2008 at 3:32 am #
I am glad not everyone has a big brain like Americaneocon, and I’ll be even
happier when they strip down and let us see those donkey ears they’ve been tucking under their hats…
Pretty obvious he nailed you to the wall…else why would you resort to name calling and free vaseline ?
Besides, I’m fully aware of what cats that hang around the back door are after.
csason on 19 Jan 2008 at 3:35 am #
Hey.. I can post links, too..
Take that:
http://www.calthomas.com/index.php?news=2158
and that:
http://www.antiwar.com/paul/?articleid=4159
Americaneocon on 19 Jan 2008 at 6:19 am #
“So why do I, and others of my ilk, get tagged as “neocons”? Some of the labelers have obvious ulterior motives. Patrick Buchanan, for one, claims that his views represent the true faith of the American right. He wants to drive the neocon infidels from the temple (or, more accurately, from the church). Unfortunately for Mr. Buchanan, his version of conservatism — nativist, protectionist, isolationist — attracts few followers, as evidenced by his poor showings in Republican presidential primaries and the scant influence of his inaptly named magazine, the American Conservative. Buchananism isn’t American conservatism as we understand it today. It’s paleoconservatism, a poisonous brew that was last popular when Father Charles Coughlin, not Rush Limbaugh, was the leading conservative broadcaster in America.
When Buchananites toss around “neoconservative” — and cite names like Wolfowitz and Cohen — it sometimes sounds as if what they really mean is “Jewish conservative.” This is a malicious slur on two levels. First, many of the leading neocons aren’t Jewish; Jeane Kirkpatrick, Bill Bennett, Father John Neuhaus and Michael Novak aren’t exactly menorah lighters. Second, support for Israel — a key tenet of neoconservatism — is hardly confined to Jews; its strongest constituency in America happens to be among evangelical Christians.
So is “neoconservatism” worthless as a political label? Not entirely. In social policy, it stands for a broad sympathy with a traditionalist agenda and a rejection of extreme libertarianism.”
That’s from Max Boot…and I just love it!
Weaver on 19 Jan 2008 at 9:36 am #
There are plenty of nonJewish neocons, but if you want to play that game… your term “paleocon” is just code for anti-white – you hate whites… and if you don’t, prove it (prove the negative.) And before the muddying defense of “Judaism is a religion not a race” is used, I must “preempt” it by pointing out that Jewish neocons are usually secular. So, either they’re ethnically Jewish, or they aren’t Jewish… take your pick. Either way, they’re neocons, and no one but they care that they’re Jewish.
Btw, who came up with the term “neocon?” Neocon Irving Kristol… the “godfather” of the ideology and author of a book on it – and yes, he’s Jewish and a former Trotskyite. But is Bush Jewish? Cheney? McCain? Graham? Fukuyama?
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Lord, that Max Boot quote is the dumbest I’ve yet seen regarding neoconservatives. I would be utterly humiliated if I ever reposted that.
Neoconservatism has zero to do with the traditionalist agenda. Do you have any idea of what a traditionalist is? Traditionalists do not worship the multicultural managerial state, do not wish to defend America’s new “tradition of immigration,” do not wish to promote creative destruction world wide, do not believe America is an ideological state, do not wish to spread democracy worldwide, and… drum roll please… wish to defend traditional European, esp British, and Christian, esp Protestant, values!
Imposters, opportunists, and cultural Marxists are what y’all are, and the scum of the Earth – anti-American traitors who trick patriotic Americans into dying for them in futile wars that have nothing to do with America’s interests.
What is the definition of a neocon? One who defends the war in Iraq over America’s own border… one who supports McCain!
HarrisonBergeron on 19 Jan 2008 at 2:54 pm #
Americaneocon,
You wrote:
“Sorry to break up your self-flagellation …”
Um, did you mean “self-congratulation”? Let’s hope so.
And as to my understanding of what Neocons are, looks to me like you’ve pretty much validated it in your own blog:
“Alcove 1 was the gathering place for a group of brilliant young Trotskyists that included Irving Kristol, Seymour Martin Lipset, Nathan Glazer and Melvin Lasky. ”
The Trotskyites repudiated the Soviet Union’s policy of socialism in one country, since they were internationalists. The Trotskyite belief in global revolution continues today in the Neocons’ agenda of global democratic revolution. That’s why they’re all for Open Borders, perpetual war at home and abroad (“creative destruction”), and big government — all the things that traditional conservatives oppose with their hearts and souls.
I keep forgetting — who’s obsessed here? Last time you visited us, you swooped in to defend the military dictatorship in Pakistan, and agreed with me that an artificial nation can only be held together by brute force — as I responded at the time, “I owe you one.”
http://conservativetimes.org/?p=1477
And now you’re agreeing again that Trotskyism is the philosophical basis of Neoconservatism. That’s two I owe you.
As for paleoconservatism being an “ideology,” you’ve exposed your fundamental inability to grasp what Burke was all about — again. But I’ll pay off my growing debt to you by reminding you that the social and political traditions that evolve spontaneously within a coherent, unified culture are organic, while an ideology is an artificial belief system, such as communism or a cobbled nation-state such as Pakistan. That’s why liberty flourishes within a self-organizing system, while the artificial system (which the US is rapidly becoming), can only be held together by force — which is why we’re seeing increasing citizen surveillance, PATRIOT Act, etc.
If you have any questions as you grapple with this, remember that I’m here for you.
Americaneocon on 19 Jan 2008 at 3:23 pm #
Weaver: Of course you think it’s dumb. Boot excoriates your fuhrer!
Of course Ron Paul’s success makes you guys look like a bunch of Einstein, right?
ROFLMAO!!!
Americaneocon on 19 Jan 2008 at 3:24 pm #
Einsteins, Einsteins, Einsteins…that’s plural.
And you guys need a few!!!
csason on 19 Jan 2008 at 3:27 pm #
Seems civility has made a comeback in the bright light or reason..as it so often does.
‘Poor showings’ does not a paleo make..one might say.
It almost appears defining neocon is the elephant in the living room that
no one wants to talk about..Now, why would that be ??
I sure as heck won’t wear the badge of arbiter in regards to a neocon
defining party..I just don’t have a big enough brain, besides..I am more of a worker ant..or at best a soldier ant.
But even a soldier ant can tell the difference between a neocon…wait, no
Even a soldier ant can tell the difference between a RINO, a CINO, and a
probable better term.. CIP Conservative In Principle.
Those fellers have been shoved around for eons…by the likes of Kristol and so many others.. gtg, got some dirt to move.
Americaneocon on 19 Jan 2008 at 3:44 pm #
Well, if neocons are RINO, that’s WAY better than being a neo-Confederate, anti-black reactionary…
Here’s this on the League of the South:
“The League of the South, a group at the center of the neo-Confederate movement, says it’s not racist, but the evidence shows otherwise…
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=250
That’s a lousy reputation to have. No wonder you guys are so pro-secesh!! Got to get out from under the microscope!!!
******
P.S. Tuggle, nope, “self-flagellation’s right: “Flogging for erotic thrill, typically with implements such as floggers….”
You’re sick, man. I’d say quit while you’re ahead, but it’s hopelessly too late. Give me a buzz when your Man Ron Paul (and his hypocritical defense of earmarks) quits the race:
http://www.ronpaulexposed.com/
Americaneocon on 19 Jan 2008 at 4:10 pm #
Update: I guess Ron Paul’s visiting Bob Jones University:
“Why?
Because he is the only candidate who doesn’t care about the media blowback going to the controversial school would entail.”
Geez, the Ronulans cant’ get out from under that microscope after all:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0108/Guess_whos_going_to_Bob_Jones_University_.html
Filmer on 19 Jan 2008 at 4:14 pm #
Americaneocon,
Are you arguing that numbers determine right and wrong? So if Hillary beats McCain in the general will you then believe that she must be right because she won? I would much rather be a remnant that is right, than in the majority and be wrong.
Hey, by your logic, the neocon hero Trotsky was wrong because he lost out to Stalin.
Americaneocon on 19 Jan 2008 at 4:28 pm #
It’s not number, Filmer, it’s ideas, of which there’s a poverty over here…
HarrisonBergeron on 19 Jan 2008 at 4:40 pm #
Americaneocon,
Relying on a fatwa from the Southern Poverty Law Center, are you? I suppose you overlooked the post that precedes this one that shows what a corrupt gang of politically correct panhandlers the SPLC is. How interesting that you have to resort to leftists like the SPLC. What’s that saying about birds of a feather?
And it’s equally sad how you fail to realize that the SPLC has also condemned your fellow war-floggers at the American Enterprise Instititute as racist, too — which goes to show just how indiscriminately they fling their absurd charges:
http://leagueofthesouth.net/rebellion/index.php/site/comments/the_splc_slimes_again/
Doug, you’re sinking in quicksand and flailing your arms again, only making it worse. You need to return to your Neoncon echo chamber, where government surveillance and illegal wiretaps protect our liberty, and DC’s open borders policy asserts American sovereignty.
csason on 19 Jan 2008 at 6:16 pm #
Is there even such a thing as a neo-Confederate ??
I don’t think so.. My ancestor landed in Barnwell, Colleton district..(Colleton ‘district’ doesn’t even exist anymore..not since they invented counties) and his sons and grandsons took up arms beside Mel Gibson….HAW HAW..
If there is a New Confederacy, I’d sure like to know where I sign up.
But the best part of this is that *ahem* ‘American’neocon uses the SPLC’s
definitions to describe ANYONE..especially the elusive neo-confederate.
Methinks you need a new title..neo-Americon.
Hey, wanna see something really cool ??
My Gr Gr Grandaddy..
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e89/csason/Adam_Lucy_Crosby.jpg
Here’s his work leg… he left the other one somewhere between Little
Round Top and Pt. Lookout Maryland..
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e89/csason/adamsleg.jpg
Last one..This is the church he and his brother built, after they made it home..
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e89/csason/georgia/georgia002.jpg
Don’t take yourself so seriously…in a couple hundred years it won’t matter anyway.
HarrisonBergeron on 19 Jan 2008 at 6:28 pm #
csason,
Wow. I’d give anything to have a picture of my paternal great-great-grandaddy. He’s the only WSI ancestor I’ve been able to document.
Oh, Americaneocon calls us “neo-Confederates” because that’s what all the multicults call us. I think it started with the SPLC in order to make some kind of association with “neo-Nazis” — nevermind that we want a decentralized, rather than a centralized government, but, hey, since when do leftists argue rationally? It’s propaganda, not reason, we have to fight against.
Elizabeth Wright on 19 Jan 2008 at 9:09 pm #
It seems a bit late in the day to attempt to take flight from the Jewish origins of neoconservatism. When an astute thinker like Jacob Heilbrunn confronts the subject head-on and without apology, what’s the point of continuing to play games? The following is from the blog of Donald Douglas, who labels himself a neoconservative. He discusses the recently published book by Heilbrunn:
http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/heilbrunn-on-neoconservatism.html
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I picked up my copy yesterday, and the prologue was a blast!
Heilbrunn spends a good deal of time on the Jewish origins of neoconservatism. He suggests the Jewish background is key to understanding the movement, and that it’s not anti-Semitic to analyze neoconservatism in terms of religion. Heilbrunn highlights, for example, acceptable and unacceptable discourses in the debate (it’s not okay, for example, to argue that neocons have abandoned that law of Moses and have endangered America’s survival – although it’s been said).
Here’s an excerpt:
The neocons claim to be an intellectual movement with no ethnic component to speak of. But neoconservatism is as much a reflection of Jewish immigrant social resentments and status anxiety as a legitimate movement of ideas. Indeed, however much they may deny it, neoconservatism is in a decisive respect a Jewish phenomenon, reflecting a subset of Jewish concerns. One of the few members of the movement willing to address this has been the British neoconservative Melanie Phillips (herself the author of a controversial book which asserts that radical Muslims have overrun London and have turned it into a base of worldwide operations). Phillips has observed that “neo-conservatism is a quintessentially Jewish project: a resanctification in everyday life of the core values of western civilisation, and the achievement of human potential through virtuous practice. The neo-cons’ crucial insight is that public signals through law, custom and tradition are the key to getting people to behave well. And that is a Jewish insight.”
csason on 19 Jan 2008 at 9:12 pm #
HB,
You have absolutely no idea…how thrilled I was to find that..or to find
the cousin that has that leg.. Her father, my Dad’s cousin, found it in a
‘corn crib’..not five miles from that church.
My wife and I were married there.. The family bible is still in the pulpit of
Wesley Chapel, in Berlin Georgia.
By the way, today is Robert E. Lee’s 201st birthday..not that anyone really cares.
Maybe if I said the only man to graduate West Point demeritless has a birthday today, it would mean something.
Elizabeth Wright on 19 Jan 2008 at 9:16 pm #
Is Americaneocon the Donald Douglas of the book review? Then why is he arguing “anti-Semitism” re neocons? Does he or does he not agree with Heilbrunn’s thesis?
HarrisonBergeron on 19 Jan 2008 at 9:34 pm #
Elizabeth,
Don’t start looking for consistency among Neocons, especially Donald Douglas. He once argued that increased US casualties proved the surge was working. When casualties dropped, he then claimed … that proved the surge was working.
I guess that’s just another example of the “benign deception” principle the Neocon founder, Leo Strauss, proclaimed. Tom DiLorenzo wrote this about the Neocon games with the truth:
“There could be no better role model for aggressive, dictatorial, militaristic nationalism, which in fact is Straussian Principle #2. Strauss believed that human aggression could only be restrained by a powerful, nationalistic state (See Jim Lobe, “Leo Strauss’ Philosophy of Deception,” Alternet.org, May 19, 2003). He believed that such an omnipotent state can only be maintained if there is an external threat, “even if one has to be manufactured.”
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo46.html
HarrisonBergeron on 19 Jan 2008 at 9:37 pm #
csason,
Oh, there are people who care, all right. I gave a talk at the South Carolina SCV Youth Camp last fall, and the response was great. It’s the third year they’ve sponsored this, and we set yet another attendance record.
I’ll be doing the same talk next month in Easley, SC. We need heroes, and the South has many.
HarrisonBergeron on 19 Jan 2008 at 9:41 pm #
Elizabeth,
Don’t look for logical consistency among Neocons, especially DD. You’ll just induce headaches. He once argued that high US casualties proved “we” were winning. When casualties dropped, he proclaimed this proved … “we” were winning.
How can you argue with that?
I suppose this is consistent with the Neocon principle of deception — which is no different from what other totalitarians, both actual and wannabe, have believed and practised. As Tom DiLorenzo once wrote:
“There could be no better role model for aggressive, dictatorial, militaristic nationalism, which in fact is Straussian Principle #2. Strauss believed that human aggression could only be restrained by a powerful, nationalistic state (See Jim Lobe, “Leo Strauss’ Philosophy of Deception,” Alternet.org, May 19, 2003). He believed that such an omnipotent state can only be maintained if there is an external threat, “even if one has to be manufactured.” ”
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo46.html
HarrisonBergeron on 19 Jan 2008 at 10:38 pm #
Elizabeth,
You’ll just give yourself a headache trying to detect logical consistency in DD’s blogs. When US casualties in Iraq were high, he proclaimed that as proof “we” were winning. And when casualties declined, he proclaimed that as proof “we” were winning.
Maybe this has something to do with the Neocon principle of deception, which their gggranddaddy, Leo Strauss called “The Noble Lie.”
Andrew T. on 20 Jan 2008 at 1:45 am #
Funny picture!:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/celeb-money04.jpg
Weaver on 20 Jan 2008 at 3:40 am #
Americaneocon, you’ve a lot more in common with Hitler than have I, and with Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, and Mao for that matter.
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