Posted under Constitution Party & Election 2008 & Ron Paul
What are GOP primary voters thinking? Of course, I support Ron Paul, but tactically I was hoping for a Romney victory in Florida to slow down McEvil’s big mo, and keep things more interesting for Super Tuesday. If Super Tuesday was a big mess, with McAmnesty winning some, Flip Romney winning some and Huck winning some, then I could still hold out some faint hope for a brokered convention. That is very unlikely to happen now. I hate to say it, but McAmnesty is the likely GOP nominee. GOP primary voters are fools. Look out Constitution Party, here I come. (Don’t get me wrong. I hope Ron Paul plugs on until the Convention.)
Ron Paul got 3% last time I check which is about what he was polling. I hate to say it, but this country is not ready for Constitutional government. We have much work to do.
Since we are likely to be writing about him a lot in the future, please give me some input on the best derisive moniker for McEvil. John “Amnesty” McCain? John McAmnesty? You tell me.
Marc on 30 Jan 2008 at 4:26 am #
Romney isn’t anything special but I could have lived with him being President. McCain is just scary. He’s already promised us more wars if he’s elected, has a Mexico first policy and has admitted he knows nothing about the economy.
On a side note the invasion has been successful it seems. Hispanics are deciding this race in both parties
ERIC on 30 Jan 2008 at 4:49 am #
There is record turnout for democrats in these primaries.
I don’t think it matters who the republicans nominate.
The turnout for democrats is eventually going to put the democrat nominee in the white house.
Get ready for a black or a woman president.
This country is doomed to die.
Marc on 30 Jan 2008 at 5:03 am #
If I could get a black or woman paleo in the WH you better damn well believe I would. That means nothing to me, it’s the policies.
ERIC on 30 Jan 2008 at 5:13 am #
There is no such thing as a paleoconservative black or woman.
Marc on 30 Jan 2008 at 6:06 am #
Your an idiot.
Marc on 30 Jan 2008 at 6:21 am #
I guess I should have mentioned Ezola Foster but I didn’t, because calling someone an idiot is more fun.
Weaver on 30 Jan 2008 at 7:18 am #
Well I guess it’ll be McCain V. Hillary.
I’ll be defending girl power
J. Laurel on 30 Jan 2008 at 8:23 am #
The GOP primary voters are indeed fools, and unfortunately in the general election the masses are asses. The United States is in serious trouble.
McEvil, Juan McAmnesty, and John McShame are all fairly accurate synonyms for the AZ senator.
csason on 30 Jan 2008 at 11:47 am #
Well Filmer, about the business at hand..
I’d say the first change would be ‘Juan’
and that’s all I have to say about that.
roho on 30 Jan 2008 at 12:08 pm #
I could have never seen this comming. Rudy practicaly moved to Florida, inorder to secure the “Israel Firster Vote”…………….It does confirm that a candidate can say anything that controdicts his past voting record, and the voter will believe him!(McCain can haul Juan Hernandez around with him on the campaign trail, as long as he lies and tells the voters he’s for border security.)
POGO was right……..”WE have seen the enemy, and it is us.”
Michael L. McKee on 30 Jan 2008 at 12:46 pm #
Something is clearly amiss here. The evidence of fraud, manipulation, and political skulduggery is glaringly obvious if you have been watching the signs.
Only a true patriot would make a choice and stick with it until the very end when the rope snaps taught.
I refuse to vacillate merely to continue a conversation with those whose insight is weak and there understanding of our future is, at best, clouded with the lack of discernment. We are being skewered by the insiders and are nearly ready for cooking.
I will stick with Ron Paul because I know where he is going, and I know what I’ll get when he gets there, but it sounds as if many others just want to claim they were behind the winner through the process of elimination.
I saw the word fools and idiot mentioned above. I wonder which I would be called for my position?
Filmer on 30 Jan 2008 at 1:49 pm #
Michael, are you referring to the voters in Florida or the commenters and posters here?
Everyone here who was with Ron Paul in the beginning is still with him. I personally hope he gets the LP and CP nominations and runs in the Fall. But if Juan McAmnesty is the GOP nominee, which seems likely now, then I’m voting CP. What exactly are you objecting to?
Michael Hill on 30 Jan 2008 at 3:17 pm #
Looks like a train wreck is about to happen. Which will be perceived as the worst scenario–McCain or Clinton/Obama? Whichever alarms the most people (especially in the South) is what I’d like to see. I fear that a GOP win will make so-called “conservative” folks think that things are OK (sort of like Bush). Let’s go all out for that train wreck with the democrat. After all, things sometimes have to hit rock bottom before people will get up and act.
“Secession,” I hope, will become the watchword.
csason on 30 Jan 2008 at 4:31 pm #
This a refreshing assessment of how things really are:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/kramer8.html
Dr. Hill..
It appears of course that a McCain/Martinez or Christ or Graham ticket
will essentially be the same as Clinton/Obama or vice-versa..
I am all for an organized, planned methodology, realistic secession.
Where do we start ?? Certainly not Florida, as absolutely sickening as that makes me..our state is completely over run.
After four generations in my beloved Sunshine state, I had thought about
the home of my ancestors- S. Carolina or Georgia..but I am thinking more along the lines of Alabama or Tennessee at present.
Oh and Mr. McKee..I wouldn’t worry too much about words like ‘idiot’ and ‘fool’ or ‘Paultard’ on the internet.. It means way less than being flipped off at 70 mph.
ERIC on 30 Jan 2008 at 6:56 pm #
I just found out that Liz Cheney is a senior advisor in the Romney campaign.
If I’m not mistaken, she is a lesbian.
What a mess the republican party has become, and this country too.
Andrew T. on 30 Jan 2008 at 7:34 pm #
ERIC,
1.) You’re a moron.
2.) You’re a moron.
3.) Pat Buchanan’s running mate in 2000 was a paleoconservative BLACK WOMAN.
4.) You’re a moron.
ERIC on 30 Jan 2008 at 7:56 pm #
Foster is not a paleoconservative.
And thanks for the names I have been called.
Pat got desperate in 2000 and tried to expand his support but it backfired.
Andrew T. on 30 Jan 2008 at 8:11 pm #
Ezola Foster is most definitely paleoconservative.
Just like Elizabeth Wright, who visits this website sometimes.
Foster supports just about every political policy you would support, Eichman…I mean ERIC.
Andrew T. on 30 Jan 2008 at 8:50 pm #
And furthermore, ERIC, it’s probably less than appropriate to call yourself a paleoconservative.
No paleoconservative that I know of (and I’ve read the writing of plenty) says ANYTHING like “without the KKK or Aryan Nations this country would be dead” or so much as entertains the absurd notion that the political philosophy of paleoconservatism is somehow closed to non-whites or non-men (which the League of the South and even really the CofCC rejects). You’re absolutely outside the paleocon rank and file here. You’re an apostate.
And ERIC, the impression I get from your writing is that you’re functionally pro-war. You appear sympathetic to non-interventionism, but really, you’re much more comfortable with the prospect of shooting lots of brown people halfway across the world so you can still look like a tough guy.
You’re using the paleocon movement; you are not part of it.
roho on 30 Jan 2008 at 10:08 pm #
Eric………….Things could have changed over the last few weeks, but my records show that Spencer Abraham, Liz Cheney, and Howard Baker were in Fred THompson’s camp.(Being a long term friend of McCain, I expected them to relocate to McCain.)
I recognize that Lindsey Graham has been like a little puppy following McCain around, and waiting for his reward?………….Being the “OFF THE CHAIN MAVERICK” that McCAin has been, I fully expect him to shock the world and name Joe Lieberman as his running mate.(The LOBBY would love it, and every Israel Firster would get behind him as if they were following “David Ben Guren”!)……………..Greater than Napoleon, he could crown himself “NEOCON EMPERER” to the world!
Old School Traditionalist on 30 Jan 2008 at 10:40 pm #
ERIC said: Get ready for a black or a woman president.
This country is doomed to die.
Marc replied: If I could get a black or woman paleo in the WH you better damn well believe I would. That means nothing to me, it’s the policies.
Andrew said to ERIC: You’re a Nazi.
Marc and Andrew, I do not presume to know what motivates ERIC, but isn’t it possible for a traditionalist white American to harbor no animosity toward black people and still think it would not be a good thing for this historically European country to have as its Head of State a Mullato? I would expect a traditionalist Brit to not want a Pakistani or Indian as his Prime Minister. I would expect a traditionalist Aussie to not want an Asian as his.
And on the much clearer issue of gender, does not traditional Christianity and and nature and tradition itself argue for the naturalness and utility of gender roles? In fact, the Bible specifically commands and codifies such. Why would a traditionalist, especially a traditionalist Christian, not argue that it was a mistake to give women the vote? Why would they not believe it a mistake to elevate one to the highest office in the land? One could argue on traditionalist grounds that women should not be allowed to hold elected office.
Marc, the assertion that race and especially gender mean nothing to you in the selection of a candidate for President is not “paleo.” It is certainly not traditionalist which is the designation I prefer.
ERIC on 30 Jan 2008 at 10:50 pm #
Old School Traditionalist
Amen!!!!!!!
And very well said.
Marc on 30 Jan 2008 at 11:53 pm #
I don’t know how long you have been reading Eric’s posts Old School but if it’s been for any length you would know that had he lived in Germany in the 30′s he would have been Hitler’s right hand man.
And Eric for you to say that Ezola Foster is not a paleo is absurd. Why don’t you just admit that you hate her because she’s a woman and she’s black and you could care less what her politics are? I have no problems with somebody preferring a white candidate but when it gets to the point that you refuse to support anybody BUT a white candidate even if you agree with them on almost every issue then your lost.
csason on 31 Jan 2008 at 12:06 am #
I have a question..
of anyone who cares to answer..
Is it wrong to be so proud of ones heritage to prefer that it remains
racially the same ??
Or in other words, is one truly proud of their heritage if they could care
less if it recalls that heritage in it’s offspring ?
Just wondering.
Elizabeth Wright on 31 Jan 2008 at 12:07 am #
Eric wrote:
“There is no such thing as a paleoconservative black or woman.”
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Don’t get mad at Eric. I think he gives this forum a lot of verve.
Now, as a black, I understand why Eric is cynical about the possibility of black paleocons. I have been interacting with blacks who have identified themselves as “conservatives” for years. They are members of the Republican party, and have preached a line of morality and family values till my ears rang. Yet, I am discovering that, one by one, they are skipping over to Obama. If they’re not outright supporters, they’re busy making a sentimental case for the “First” you know what. Initially, I felt shock, but now I just feel disgust at the fact that they fooled me all these years into thinking that they were serious about principles and policies. I’m writing a piece about this for my blog.
On another note:
Do you realize that when, yes WHEN McCain wins the November election, not only will the neocons not have to vacate the White House, more of them will file in. This warmonger will invite the lowest level of creatures into office. We will see multiple numbers of Kristols and Podhoretzes and Bennetts and Frums. We will see a cabinet and advisory committees composed of second and third generation neocons — all working on their grubby little agendas to stick it, first to Iran, and then to all those other troublesome A-rabs.
Andrew T. on 31 Jan 2008 at 3:29 am #
Old School Traditionalist,
Oh puh-leez. Don’t obfuscate it. ERIC said, in the clearest possible terms, that it is physically impossible for a black person or a woman to be of the paleoconservative persuasion, and tried to back up that absurd statement by saying Mrs. Ezola Foster is not one.
I acknowledge that it is , but not that it is somehow impossible for a woman to be president, which is an absurdity. I acknowledge the obvious fact that there are more white male paleoconservatives than women and non-whites, but not that it is somehow impossible for a non-white non-male to be one, which is an absurdity.
In translation, I’m not an irrational idiot.
Andrew T. on 31 Jan 2008 at 3:30 am #
Old School Traditionalist,
Oh puh-leez. Don’t obfuscate it. ERIC said, in the clearest possible terms, that it is physically impossible for a black person or a woman to be of the paleoconservative persuasion, and tried to back up that absurd statement by saying Mrs. Ezola Foster is not one.
I acknowledge that it is more difficult for a woman to handle the emotional duty of elected office than a man, but not that it is somehow impossible for a woman to be president, which is an absurdity. I acknowledge the obvious fact that there are more white male paleoconservatives than women and non-whites, but not that it is somehow impossible for a non-white non-male to be one, which is an absurdity.
In translation, I’m not an irrational idiot.
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