February
26th 2008
Libertarian land
Patroon

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What would a libertarian society look like, perhaps something like Bluefields region of Nicarauga as this article shows.

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  1. Weaver on 26 Feb 2008 at 6:10 pm #

    Somewhat related article, though Iceland has a common culture and ancestry: The Icelandic Sagas and Social Order

  2. Weaver on 26 Feb 2008 at 6:33 pm #

    From original article:

    The waiter offers carne de tortuga – a grilled slice of endangered Hawksbill Sea Turtle. While locals insist they only slaughter the older specimens, that did little to ease my sensation that here in Bluefields pleasure trumps morality.

    With so much fresh fish, coconut, bananas and mangoes, the idea of sweating or long-term planning seems foreign.

    Ugh, they need order and direction (long term goals) to make good use of their good fortune. Not only are they a leach on the US and the environment (ref. endangered sea turtles), but it sounds like they are far too dependent on a single source of income. The excuse of the third world is usually inaccess to starting capital… well, there it is.

    The libertarian ideals only work though because of the close knit community. I’m sure much of the US, and indeed much of the world, was like this back in the 50s and before.

  3. roho on 26 Feb 2008 at 7:41 pm #

    The American Indian had buffalo and gold………And peyote.(So we improved their lifestyle.)

  4. Andrew T. on 26 Feb 2008 at 7:51 pm #

    Patroon, this is an insult.

    Since libertarianism is a political program only, it is compatible with many contexts. The article you put up talks about mindless leeches, people that would rather invest in extremely short-term, ultra-high-risk destructive capital (cocaine) than devote their minds, skills, and labor to a life-affirming occupation compatible with their supposed beliefs (Catholicism?), people that don’t care what harm they’re sanctioning if they get to lounge around like inept parasites. They’re idiots. My fear is that most Americans are ultimately the same way; my respite is that I am not. Our Founding Fathers were right to say that to maintain a free society you have to be a religious and moral people.

    What would a libertarian society look like? Well, hopefully something like the Free State Project is aiming for. FSP: http://www.freestateproject.org/

  5. Weaver on 26 Feb 2008 at 8:46 pm #

    Lol roho, we improved it with white lobsters eh?

    I meant life was similar to that prior to multiculturalism and modern transience (population movement due to cheap oil and advanced transit technology.) As well somewhat the managerial state (big, centralised government/business controlled by managers/beaurocrats.)

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    Someone’s turned full blown paleo, haha:

    Our Founding Fathers were right to say that to maintain a free society you have to be a religious and moral people.

    My authoritarian (tongue in cheek) alternative really isn’t all that much different I’m sure, just treats man as guided by the irrational and weak to temptation.

  6. Weaver on 26 Feb 2008 at 9:57 pm #

    Roho, you remember how things were before the Hippie revolution I’m sure. I hear folks didn’t have need to lock their house doors, unless perhaps a band of gypsies was in town.

  7. Andrew T. on 26 Feb 2008 at 9:59 pm #

    The managerial state can’t be redeemed for the good, Weaver. Recognize an enemy when you see it. And while you’re worried about the potential recklessness of nonviolent business monopolies (which are extremely rare, and usually abetted by government), I’m worried about reckless violent ones.

  8. Weaver on 26 Feb 2008 at 10:09 pm #

    Oh nah, I don’t wish to redeem it, I just wish for a little more government than you do.

    I’m no fan of welfare or centralisation. Cradle to grave, a man ought to be taken care of (if needed) by his family and community, and they ought to have him work.

  9. Weaver on 27 Feb 2008 at 3:35 am #

    I meant in other words cradle to grave: no government involvement, or if government must be involved then only at the local level, in most cases. I don’t fully oppose government involvement in such things, but I nearly do.

    I’m more interested in government promoting morality, limiting the size of business, and ensuring defense.

    EDIT: I just put up a political quiz regarding this very issue :D

  10. roho on 27 Feb 2008 at 1:23 pm #

    Weaver………I was being sarcastic from a male chauvinists perspective. When we arrived, the male indians were fishing and hunting all day, while the women worked around the village. Like other cultures, we showed them how Leviathan could become the head of household, drink whiskey instead, and learn the benefits of the casino industry. They had a family culture much like the Japanese, carying for the elders until death, so we introduced the nursing home.

    As for the culture of the fifties and sixties: In the South, locking your doors were not important and we had the blue-laws that made it illegal for any retail business to operate on Sunday other than a pharmacy. All consumerism and shopping had to be done by Saturday night including the grocery store. All families and extended families spent Sunday together after church(On a rotation basis between inlaws and blood families). Like today’s “Chick Filet”, corporations encouraged their employees to go to church on Sunday and spend time with their family……………At least that was the culture of Birmingham Alabama that I grew up in.

    There wasn’t an ice cream parlor on every corner, so we made our own Sunday afternoon on the porch.(Great memories.)……..As an 8 year old, me and my buddies walked and rode our bicyles all over the county in safety with our parents expecting us back home for dinner that night. (Child molesters were virtually unknown of, and if one was caught, the KKK handeled it, and he became a missing person for eternity!)

  11. Patroon on 27 Feb 2008 at 5:46 pm #

    Libertarianism just a political program? I think it goes deeper than that and you don’t have to be Ayn Rand to believe that.

    I found this article on Lew Rockwell.com and I think Weaver made a very good point. This sort do what you like society can only work inside a boundary of strong ties of kith and kin. Otherwise people would take advantage of their sloth and indifference. Why don’t the Columbian durg lords come storming into the area demaning their cocaine back? Because they know what’s waiting for them if they tried, an armed populace with AK-47s ready to defend their homes. Why doesn’t the the Nicaraguan government try to come in and get in on the action? Because the Indians would resist them too so they best let sleeping dogs lies. Hell, they even kick back a portion of their money to the church. And notice too, the people who are sharing in this ill-gotten wealth are largely homogenous, the Miskito Indians. They don’t allow outsiders to muscle or sneak on what they’re doing

    So perhaps I should have said this is an example fo what a paleolibertarian society might look like. And it seems fitting I found this on the leading paleolibertarian website, Lew Rockwell.com

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