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We’ve been making a lot noise about Alan Keyes winning the CP nomination. But according to today’s edition of Politics1.com (www.politics1.com), Judge Roy Moore is still the frontrunner:
CONSTITUTION PARTY:As predicted here months ago — when the faux “draft” movement was launched urging bombastic former Ambassador Alan Keyes to seek the GOP Presidential nomination — Keyes has quit the Republican Party and is now officially seeking the Constitution Party’s Presidential nomination. A visit to Keyes’ campaign website now displays the Constitution Party logo in the “breaking news” section at the top of the page. The footer of the page displays a parody of the trademarked GOP logo — shown on the Keyes site in the form of a dead elephant. Keyes may find he is sharply out of step with the CP on the Iraq War, as the party strongly opposed US involvement in Iraq while Keyes voiced strong support for the war during the GOP primaries this year. The other announced candidates for the CP nomination are two frequent candidates: anti-tax activist Don Grundman and anti-gay activist Diane Beall Templin. Other potential candidates for the CP nomination at the upcoming April 23-26 convention include ousted Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy “Ten Commandments Judge” Moore, ’04 VP nominee Pastor Chuck Baldwin, former US Senator Bob Smith, and political writer Jerome Corsi. Insiders tell Politics1 that Moore would be a lock for the Constitution Party nomination — if he wants it.”
That’s the key of course: If he wants it. You can’t beat something with nothing so hopefully party leaders are working to convince Judge Moore to run for president.
roho on 27 Mar 2008 at 2:46 pm #
Where is Judge Moore on Neocon Intervention?……….I’m familiar with his social positions.
roho on 27 Mar 2008 at 2:49 pm #
Off subject, but have you guys seen the video “Bush VS the Zombies” at
http://www.buchanan.org/blog/?p=973
ERIC on 27 Mar 2008 at 4:07 pm #
Moore/Baldwin.
Baldwin is young enough to last a 16 year term.
I’m being optimistic.
RedPhillips on 27 Mar 2008 at 5:58 pm #
roho, I have been assured Moore is anti-War, and I believe it. I was pretty certain even before I was assured because it is a predictable position for him based on where he is coming from.
Andrew T. on 27 Mar 2008 at 8:07 pm #
ERIC,
“Baldwin is young enough to last a 16 year term.”
I’m wondering what you mean by this, considering that 1.) It’s not exactly ‘likely’ that a third-party candidate is going to become President and 2.) The longest a President is legally allowed to serve is 8 years, or two four-year terms
Why do you care, anyway? You hate whatever freedom the Constitution offers, anyway.
Andrew T. on 27 Mar 2008 at 8:54 pm #
And for those of use that do care, here is the ultimate Constitution website:
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
You should read it and become familiar with its technicalities. Goodness knows the politicians aren’t doing it!
roho on 27 Mar 2008 at 9:32 pm #
I actually wish that I could believe that there will be a General Election?…..Another “False Flag” crisis like 911 will allow the “DECIDER” to maintain control until chaos and confusion subsides. The Presidential Directives that were signed off on in the spring of last year scare me to death! (NSPD-51, HSPD-20, NSPD-35)………………I got a bad feeling.
RedPhillips on 27 Mar 2008 at 9:53 pm #
What I am picking up from the internet is that Moore, for whatever reason, is just not interested, or maybe he is interested, but he can’t run for some reason. We need to think hard about some alternatives. Apparently, none of the current alternatives to Keyes are able or willing to run.
Richard C. Green on 28 Mar 2008 at 2:09 am #
After putting in little to almost no thought at all on the subject, I have convinced myself that former Ambassador Keyes is about as good of a candidate for the Constitution Party and its affiliates as we can hope to attract. It is, after all, getting late in the “cycle” and as Snuffy Smith used to say — “Time’s a-wastin’ !”
Unless I am misreading the dregs in my morning coffee cup, Dr. Ron Paul has effectively decided to red-line himself from any further involvement in the political process. I’ve been wrong before but it sure does “feel” like he’s taken his final curtain call, despite a few key groups of Paul supporters raising a ruckus here and there ( Missouri ).
If you can’t bring Mohammed to the mountain, then move the mountain to Mohammed — to torture a metaphor. The war in Iraq is a reality.
So ? Let’s face reality. Let’s embrace the war. It’s good for business, after all, and the corporation known as THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is and has been all about war business since Woodrow Wilson sold out the States united after running on the slogan “He Kept Us Out Of War.”
Our population has more than doubled since Wilson’s 1916 sell-out to the Monsters of Jekyll Island. Reversing that sell-out will require getting some congressmembers elected and some senators elected — maybe Keyes can help energize such an electoral effort with his oratory.
After all, Keyes is an effective orator and a pro-Life spokesman of some considerable note. In that regard he has been most consistent over many years. In a real debate, Keyes would probably make mincemeat out of that fake Irishman, O’Bama. So that is a hopeful consideration.
Besides, it seems that other possible candidates — like Alec Baldwin, D.B. Cooper and maybe Jimmy Hoffa are either incapacitated or in hiding, so what is there to lose ? Maybe the real truth of the current political situation is that our people like war, and like it so much that they have been willing to pay for Korea, Viet Nam, Grenada, and the Gulf Wars One and Two without any real squawking !!
Then again, I just finished reading Charlie Wilson’s War for the second time, which is an amazing document touching on how one well-fixed congressman from Texas was able to funnel hundreds of millions of dollars in defense appropriations into the hands of the CIA, who then snuggled up to Saudi Arabia, and cut deals with Egypt, Turkey, and even the French to give the Afghan mujahideen the wherewithal to bloody the Soviet Red Army …
and thus opening the door for dear old Osama bin Laden to scrape together the cohorts of the Afghan Arabs and funnel them into that God-forsaken country where they obtained both combat experience and a passionate addiction to “jihad”.
There’s the ideal world of paleoconservatism and a loving respect for our Constitution, and then there’s the real world of “realpolitik” and the new role of the United States as the bone-crunching bouncer of our Casino-based New World Order.
So why not ‘gamble’ on Alan Keyes ?
Andrew T. on 28 Mar 2008 at 2:42 am #
Richard,
Think about paring that enormous rant-essay down to a couple of paragraphs that actually present strong, clearly understandable points. As it is right now, it’s not that I strongly disagree with you as much as I don’t understand what the hell you’re talking about.
Richard C. Green on 28 Mar 2008 at 3:15 am #
All right then. Yes, I agree that one of the most important aspects of my decision to abandon the corrupt and wretched Gettin’ Old Party for the vibrant and intellectually alert Constitution Party is the issue of the un-declared war in Iraq. We as the people of this country have seen the war-mongers hijack — through the neo-conservative Trotskyites — the wealth and the power of our States united. Whatever the real reason for sending our armed forces into Iraq under false pretenses — those being the massive bank robbery of their central bank, or the desire to control certain parts of the country where relics of great antiquity were once stored, or their prodigious reserves of oil — the whole enterprise has become a shambles.
In the last few days alone the dominant Shi’ite population has been ripped asunder by the eruption of civil war in the Basra area. The firebrand cleric who has the loyalty of the Mehdi Army is facing off there against the installed leader, Nouri al-Maliki. We are learning that the passionate factions of the Shi’ite population are completely willing and able to bloody each other to gain or maintain complete control of their second city and their economic engine. It’s proof positive that whatever George Bush the Lessor had as a plan in this unconstitutional invasion, it just ain’t working. We have now lost 4002 men and women killed and many thousands more grievously wounded.
War generates profits. Profits are to multinational corporations the same as blood in the water is to sharks.
These multinationals buy and sell our elected members of Congress like they were painted Russian dolls, the kind which have smaller dolls tucked inside of them. Do I still have the same respect for Alan Keyes that I once had ? No, not at all. He’s all for this bloody war.
My grandfather served in World War One and came home injured in his body and mind. He had no one to turn to when his pain began to ruin his life in the late 1920s, which means that my late mother was abandoned by him when she was a mere child. She was raised by her relatives in Virginia, as he had been disowned by his people and was too drunk or too disordered to run a business and keep his family together.
At least my mother turned out well, and she kept our family together with her combined stoicism and southern-bred charm. As irony goes, it happened that the only person who was left alive when my grandfather died — in a veterans’ home — was my mother, and she saw to his burial and to burial with the military honors he had earned in The Great War.
That was to me an extraordinary lesson in “civic virtue.”
The Constitution Party is passionately anti-war and very proper and correct in opposing this rotten show going on over in Iraq.
Alan Keyes is a great orator and he is pro-Life. He’s wrong about the Iraq war, though, and I would gladly work hard to get somebody else, somebody other than him, on the ballot. The Wilsonian warmongers and the neo-conservative warmongers all make me sick at heart.
I won’t abide them and if Keyes sticks to his pro-war, pro-intervention dogma then I won’t lift a finger to help him get the nomination for the Constitution Party or to get on the ballot by petition here in Connecticut, where we do have a chance to build an effective, conservative political party precisely because the Iraq war is so widely hated here.
This is a state where independent voters outnumber both Democrats and Republicans, and there’s no room in the local GOP at all for anyone who is passionately anti-war and passionately pro-Life.
I hope that makes it all sufficiently clear.
J. Laurel on 28 Mar 2008 at 6:27 am #
Mr T.
I believe Mr. ERIC’s math is correct.
8 years as VP + 8 years as President = 16 years total (potentially)
It appears you just have a strong disliking for him.
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As far as the CP party putting Keys as their nominee, I can’t imagine why?? Didn’t he already get beat by Obama in the Illinois senate race? It really doesn’t make much sense to have another neoconservative on the ballot. I’m not sure how that would motivate conservatives angered by the McCain nomination to go out and vote for a third party candidate.
At this point it just seems rather depressing the direction this country is taking.
Weaver on 28 Mar 2008 at 8:59 am #
Yea McCain is already pro-life… I don’t see what Keyes has to offer. Maybe some in the CP just wish to prove it’s not racist either… So ridiculous.
Moore 2008!
Hagan Smith on 28 Mar 2008 at 12:15 pm #
In this slate of CP Candidates, I see only one viable possibility and he is a slim one. Judge Roy Moore.
Does any one know how he ruled on the Bench as to the rights of the people?
I have heard him speak and Alan Keyes spoke after him in here in Pennsylvania. He likewise is a great orator. His speach definately stired the passion in the crowd. Being that he was a Judge, I would like to see if he protected the God Given Rights of the people. It certainly is the first duty of a Judge.
This answer would go a long way to answer questions for those of us who supported Dr. Paul. America must have a President who will turn the direction of this Country back to the Constitutionally republican Form of Government.
Richard C. Green on 28 Mar 2008 at 4:02 pm #
In general, I am in agreement with Mr. Hagan Smith. It does seem, however, that Judge Roy Moore is not interested in being nominated and so it follows that he can hardly be interested in a campaign.
Is there a retired military officer out there, somewhere, who has seen combat first hand, and who would be willing to bear “the slings and arrows” of a third party campaign ?? The view from here in New England is that this kind of person is about the only kind of person who could win in States like Maine, Massachusetts and Rhode Island.
In Massachusetts, for example, there has been a dramatic shift in the make-up and nature of the old mill towns north of Boston. In places like Revere and Lawrence, Spanish speaking immigrants from the Dominican Republic are transforming the landscape. They have been moving north from other towns for several years and they have been forming new congregations in churches that were formerly old line protestant.
For the most part these are legal immigrants who have been in the States for a long time: how many are actually citizens now, and enabled to vote, is not something we can know without doing local research at town halls and so forth. It only takes a few minutes of driving around in these old mill towns, however, to see what has been and is going on right now. New restaurants are opening or replacing older ones, and the new trend has a definite Spanish flavor to it.
That means that the new residents of these old Yankee mill towns are on the ground to stay, that they’re not transients or largely illegals !!
Most of the evangelical or pentecostal congregations which have been springing up among these new groups are definitely “born again” with a Spanish flavor. Wherever these folks go, pentecostal or “new life” music and bookstores seem to follow. That suggests a near total cultural shift is happening, right now, in the old mill towns of the Merrimack River area; and, that the aging Irish and Italian populations there are retiring to the southern States or simply fading away.
Sooner or later the local Democratic party bosses are going to fade away with them, I think. What happens next, is the question ….