April
30th 2008
Posted under Alan Keyes & Chuck Baldwin & Constitution Party & Election 2008
Keyes shows his neocon colors here. Not intervening all over the globe would be irresponsible.
Alan Keyes had some news today for his new — or is it old? — buddies in the Constitution Party: He’s not backing the party’s newly minted nominee Chuck Baldwin.
No way, no how, Keyes told Prime Buzz.
“His policies of appeasement and non-involvement (in foreign affairs) are irresponsible and unsustainable,” Keyes said.
James on 30 Apr 2008 at 8:59 pm #
Alan Keyes is a wack-job, an ego-driven, opportunistic wack-job. I think its great that the CP decided against him as their candidate, but what the hell were they doing considering him in the first place?
ERIC on 30 Apr 2008 at 9:42 pm #
The one thing that seperates paleoconservatives from white nationalists is race.
Paleoconservatives won’t acknowledge that race is the root of our problems.
Therefore Alan Keyes is welcomed in the party by the leaders.
Trent Hill on 30 Apr 2008 at 11:22 pm #
ERIC,
Thats horse manuer. White Nationalists are collectivists. Paleoconservatives arent. White Nationalists view race as the dominant reason for the ills of society, and Paleoconservatives believe its government.
Savrola on 30 Apr 2008 at 11:37 pm #
I believe you have paleoconservatism confused with libertarianism.
roho on 30 Apr 2008 at 11:38 pm #
Alan Keyes was simply an opportunist that was most likely thinking that he could change the platform to fit him, rather than accept the platform and ask what he could do to advance it.
He’s a neocon and should feel right at home in the GOP(Gutted Our Principles). I understood quickly that “I” could never change the GOP party of intervention, big government, and willing to allow a foreign nation in the middleast to dictate our policies there………..so I left!
His loyalty to the U.N. is scary, where I see them as a Global Criminal Agency!……..So “Goodby Mr. Keyes, and we wish you well.”
Andrew T. on 01 May 2008 at 12:43 am #
Savrola,
Actually, he’s technically correct. Most paleoconservatives are against the ludicrous idea that a person is morally justified by his race, which is really what collectivism is, and most also believe that the main problem is the tyranny of the governmental ruling elite, again as opposed to race. According to the late Dr. Samuel Francis, Mr. Paleoconservative, a paleocon can even assert that race is nothing more significant than a societal construct, but at minimum he demands that the exploitation of race as a political weapon by the ruling class (government officials) must end.
Andrew T. on 01 May 2008 at 12:59 am #
ERIC,
I glad to burst your bubble, but there is no sufficient evidence that race IS the dominant reason for society’s ills. Rather, authentic conservatives are indeed correct that the problems are materialism, irreligion, multiculturalism, sexual libertinism, narcissism, hatred of legitimate authority, feminism, socialism, and centralization, and that “race” is part of the problem so long as it is being used to rubber-stamp State tyranny to hurt society in the name of “equality”. You are not such a conservative, but a revolutionary wacko that is infatuated with substituting chromosomes for morals. Your economic position is socialist nationalism (i.e. national socialism). Though you reject the label, I find every reason to call you what you are: a neo-Nazi.
You still haven’t even tried to answer the question of WHY you believe race is the primary issue as opposed to government tyranny, after this whole time. You’re pathetic, you know that?
Weaver on 01 May 2008 at 1:02 am #
There’s a lot of fuzzy overlap. Now that Gottfried has declared the movement dead, it no longer matters.
Suffice it to say: paleocon encompasses multiple ideologies with disagreements over which are included and which are not.
When TOQ entered the virtual scene, it declared itself distinct from paleoconservatism, as did kinism. They each accused paleos of seeking to defend culture and communities without defending the people and nations that created them. And I want to say that I saw somewhere Francis denying that he’s a paleocon… but as usual my fuzzy memory cannot be relied upon.
If so inclined, read this by Francis and you may decide for yourself what category he fits into.
Though one may certainly disagree with Francis, no one can honestly deny his valuable insight on a number of issues, his deep erudition, or his sense of personal loyalty.
Somehow Francis was able to bring together many disparate elements of the right who didn’t like or agree with each other on a wide variety of issues but did agree on many important ones, like immigration, taxes, war, liberties, culture, sovereignty, etc.
ERIC on 01 May 2008 at 1:07 am #
Libertarians believe anyone is a collectivist.
Libertarians are ultra-individualists.
If you think white nationalists are collectivists because they advocate white people uniting for the sake of their race then I don’t know what to tell you, because that is not collectivist.
Collectivist is an economic term.
White nationalists believe that the non-white races influence on our government (and our society/culture) is the problem.
So white nationalists believe both race and government are the problem, but without multiculturalism/non-whites the government wouldn’t be as out of control as it is.
White nationalists know that the Jews are in control of the government and media among other things and they know that the Jew is the seed of satan and therefore Jews hate the white race because they(the Jews) know deep down that the white race is the true Israelites of the bible and god’s chosen people, and therefore they(the Jews, being satan’s seed) will do anything to destroy the white race, including using their money and power and brutally sicking/pushing the blacks and mexicans on the white race to muder/rape/rob ect. the white race.
Jews have controlled the government and were the slave traders that brought the blacks here intentionally to destroy the white race and then the Jew was behind the so called civil war and the so called civil rights movement/legislation in the 60′s and you bet your a$$ that they are behind the open borders of today.
Jews want to eliminate the white race and they will use anything or anyone(specifically blacks and mexicans) to do it.
ERIC on 01 May 2008 at 1:19 am #
Andrew T.
I just answered your question why race is the primary issue, in my last post above.
So don’t get on my case for being blunt because you asked for it.
Weaver on 01 May 2008 at 1:38 am #
Maybe I ought to relocate this entire discussion to a new thread…
This all really has nothing to do with Keyes and the CP.
ERIC on 01 May 2008 at 1:47 am #
Weaver
If you have the ability you can delete my last 2 posts plus this one and just send them to Andrew T. via email.
I wouldn’t mind.
I just wanted to answer his question on why race is the primary problem above government, which I did already in the past, but I guess he forgot.
Andrew T. on 01 May 2008 at 1:51 am #
ERIC,
I would call you a sack of crap, but I think that would constitute an undue insult to actual sacks containing excrement.
“and they know that the Jew is the seed of satan”
Biblically false (assuming one even believes that the Bible’s creation account is more than allegorical; the Neo-Nazi “serpent seed” theory even manages to neglect the incredibly obvious fact that the Great Flood wiped out ALL human life except for Noah’s family, from which then all humans would be implicitly descended).
“and therefore Jews hate the white race”
Factually false. In fact, in the United States an overwhelming majority of European-descended Jews identify as Caucasian rather than Other.
“because they(the Jews) know deep down that the white race is the true Israelites of the bible and god’s chosen people”
No, “they” don’t “know” this. In fact, this is laughable to virtually anyone, because EVERY IOTA OF OBSERVABLE EVIDENCE clearly confirms that the ancient Israelites were levantine Semites, and that modern Jews are descended from those. Meanwhile Anglo-Saxon Europeans, who were pagans that didn’t even know that Judea existed, lived thousands of miles away and exactly where you’d expect them to live — in Europe.
“Jews have controlled the government and were the slave traders that brought the blacks here intentionally to destroy the white race and then the Jew was behind the so called civil war and the so called civil rights movement/legislation in the 60’s and you bet your a$$ that they are behind the open borders of today.”
Factually false. Whites were the slavers, the civil rights movement was primarily led by religious blacks, and today’s open borders lobby is home to just about everyone in Washington, Jews no more than anyone else including liberal whites…wow, I bet the Jews rule EVERYTHING. We must have had so many Jewish presidents by now…oh, wait, no we haven’t.
I’m just waiting for the day that you turn those words into actions so that you can finally be removed from polite society and become someone’s permanent prison bitch. Then he’ll finally lose his virginity.
Weaver, please see that this fascist asshat is banned from the blog permanently. He is a maniac.
ERIC on 01 May 2008 at 2:18 am #
Andrew T.
If anyone should be banned it is you for your personal attacks on me AFTER YOU ASKED ME TO ANSWER A QUESTION.
Examples of your personal attacks:
“I’m just waiting for the day that you turn those words into actions so that you can finally be removed from polite society and become someone’s permanent prison bitch. Then he’ll finally lose his virginity.”
“Weaver, please see that this fascist asshat is banned from the blog permanently. He is a maniac.”
“I would call you a sack of crap, but I think that would constitute an undue insult to actual sacks containing excrement.”
Andrew T. on 01 May 2008 at 2:19 am #
Oh, and I forgot to introduce everyone the biggest Jew murderer of white people ™ of them all. She drinks the blood of Christian children, and hires illegal Mexicans to spill the blood, and they double as lobbyists. Here is her latest Illuminati Zionist plot to use her anti-American open-borders white-hating blood money and total control over the media to take over the world and make Israel’s president (who is secretly a Marxist) the new ruler of the world: http://barelyablog.com/?p=603
John Savage on 01 May 2008 at 2:38 am #
Weaver wrote:
“When TOQ entered the virtual scene, it declared itself distinct from paleoconservatism, as did kinism. They each accused paleos of seeking to defend culture and communities without defending the people and nations that created them.”
Do you have a link for what you’re talking about? I’d be interested to read more.
By the way, Andrew T.’s name-calling and ad hominem is totally uncalled for here.
Weaver on 01 May 2008 at 9:26 am #
TOQ’s comments are no longer on the web, though I might be able to find it and the Francis comment (that he’s not a paleo), which I’ve been meaning to locate, grab, and store for all time. If all else fails, I’ll email TOQ, which probably has a copy.
As for kinism, I was actually just thinking of this thread. I usually jump in to defend Dr. Fleming whenever he’s attacked, and I’ve been intending a defense of him ever since I was linked to this thread (just a few days ago.)
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Regarding Eric, here’s a quote from Seabrook’s Kinist speech, which is the first I heard of Kinism:
That said… Eric’s Christian Identity view that Jews are the spawn of Satan makes me uneasy each time I hear it. However, outside empire there wouldn’t be this need for censorship, this intolerance of the “intolerant,” because we would more freely be separated into our own groups by choice. Those who don’t like such and such wouldn’t live with such and such, and we’d be free to think and say how we feel.
Richard Weaver famously wrote (also taken from the Kinist speech, though this quote is widely known I think, at least among the right):
And he’s right.
Y’know, the reason we’re not to speak of group values is we’re undergoing social engineering as we’re being integrated. PC is a tool of social engineering.
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However corrupt and intolerant our society is though, we still must work within it. And Red certainly doesn’t think badly of Jews, though with such comments here he’s being associated with them, thus my unease. But it’s no big deal really.
Andrew’s out of line too, but Eric’s got thick skin. He’s bound to be used to it by now, and he should know Americans are largely intolerant of Christian Identity these days.
Tad B. Johnson on 01 May 2008 at 11:07 am #
So I don’t really know any of the editors or anyone here, and I don’t have any firendships, but I gotta agree with Andrew T.: ERIC is an embarrassment. I knew some guys like him when I was growing up in Virginia…everything wrong in the world was because of Jews and coloured folks. They started twisting the Bible to suit their purposes, and split off into their own werid protestant sects….Somehow, the Bible began to have things to say about William J. Fulbright and Jimmy Carter. Search me how they found it, but like as not they put it there.
This whole Christian Identity stuff still has some roots in Virginia, but thank God that it’s no longer in Northern Virginia, where I live. From what I understand, those kooks have been driven out to the TN border.
As for why I think we should cut them off, it’s because they’re not conservatives. Their vision of our culture and history is way out of line with not only how we understand it and their so called religion is a gnostic abortion of our own faith. The very thought of Mass and one of their snakes and guitars sessions being part of thesame rliegion makes me shudder. They may want similar poliicies to us sometimes, but for completely different reasons, and it’s not a good idea to ally with them.
They make us lookstupid and eventually, you have to pay the piper.
FDR allied with Stalin against Russia, and the billl was that half of Europe live under tyranny. Just saying.
TBJ
Weaver on 01 May 2008 at 12:07 pm #
Tad B. Johnson,
Virginia Publishing Company
Lynchburg, VA.
If you ever wonder where the enemies of NWO are, check the SPLC map
It watches the League of the South too… which is obviously not a hate group.
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I wonder if it’d be illegal, some sort of violation of privacy or slander charge, were I to do the same by mapping out extreme left wing and ethnic racialist groups.
Tad B. Johnson on 01 May 2008 at 12:57 pm #
Weaver,
The friend of mine with whom I went to India on this investment trip put it to me in a real interesting way. He said that in his head, there’s a realy big difference between the fear and paranoia that comes from having been brutalised for a long time by someone and the fear and paranoia that comes from realising that the very people you’ve been attacking are now perfectly capable of fighting back.
To put it in analogy, the fear that the forest creatures have of tigers and jackals is very different than the fear that tigers and jackals would have of deer and rabbits if they ever got handguns.
I guess that’s why left wing groups don’t bother me as much….People like Jeremiah Wright have come from a history where they’ve been kicked around like nobody’s business. The thing about the government inventing AIDS to kill black people doesn’t sound as strange when you consider the act that the US government conducted nasty medical experiments on black people for years and then denied it till the proof was too obvious for them to lie about.
I guess that’s my two cents on left wing groups.
I’ll check out that publishing company, I guess. What do they do?
Y’all have any thoughts on why I think allying with Christian Identity types is a bad idea?
TBJ
Sean Scallon on 01 May 2008 at 1:51 pm #
Some loyal party member Keyes is turning out be.
Oh wait, he never “officially” joined.
The quicker he goes into the ashbin of history the better.
Harold Crews on 01 May 2008 at 3:07 pm #
A foreign policy of nonintervention is not sustainable?! It is far more sustainable than a policy of intervention. Keyes needs a dictionary.
roho on 01 May 2008 at 3:21 pm #
Eric…………….Take a look at the home page of “Middle American News”. It does substantiate some of your statements in my opinion.
Michael L. McKee on 01 May 2008 at 3:51 pm #
As an American, I am only concerned with the God-given Constitutional freedoms and liberties I have been granted, along with the Paleocon and the Neocon equally. Enough said!
Weaver on 01 May 2008 at 4:22 pm #
Mr. Johnson,
I dunno what the publishing company has done to be on that list – I just checked Virginia on that map and found the company listed. I doubt it’s worth looking into – why bother them?
This is the first I’ve heard of this, but I’ll be sure to look into it.
I think it’s easy to play perceived victims against perceived aggressors. There are just new people on top playing the two against each other and reaping the rewards. Divide and conquer.
Nowadays whites have become the victims, and it’s been that way since the Civil Rights movement. Every ethnic and religious group has a claim except for white Christians. Have you heard of the Asian-American rights 80-20 Initiative? That type of preference is not fair. One solution is for government to not play favorites with any group… Not sure that’s possible anymore with government jobs. Businesses at least ought to be free to hire and sell to whom they please, affirmative action is unfair.
I’ve actually got a lot of respect for Eric because he states what he believes, doesn’t back down or bend the truth, and is civil and honest. He couldn’t be nicer, and he’s civil to all here.
roho on 01 May 2008 at 5:11 pm #
Weaver…………..I agree with you regarding Eric. He has cast off the bonds of political correctness which is used to keep frank and honest discussion from ever taking place. There can be no discussion once all read from the same manifesto.
Andrew T. on 01 May 2008 at 5:24 pm #
roho, I think we should all require ERIC to apologize until we fully recognize the many contributions of the Jewish people to Western society.
Andrew T. on 01 May 2008 at 5:29 pm #
Besides, Eric’s religion (CI) is a fairy tale.
Tad B. Johnson on 01 May 2008 at 5:37 pm #
Hey, guys,
In terms of the medical experiments, I would refer you here:
http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/2002/jul/tuskegee/
Thanks for leting me take part here. What you call pereived victims and percevied aggressors is kind of unfair. I don’t think that anyone can realy say with a striaght face that the entire history of this country can be modelled as the loosening of restrictions and legal nooses around the necks of people who are not white Chrsitan males.
My frend who I went to India with put it this way (he’s an icnredible guy – I’d love to see you guys argue) : for anyone who argues that anyone who thinks that govenrment action cant affirmatively help anyone is crazy. If you look at the hisotry of America, you see governemnt affirmatively pitching in and helping targeted groups advance. Wehther it’s teh Democratic party in NYC and Bosont helping IRish and Germans or Populists helping small white farmers, government has always hlepd people. He ewants to know why its so unreasonable to expect that full afrrimative power to be opened up to helping the very people that the government once held down.
As for me, I just work numbers. I’m not so into the whole community aid thing as he is, but I can see his point.
TBJ
Andrew T. on 01 May 2008 at 5:54 pm #
And no Eric is not civil. He thinks an entire ethnicity of people, millions of people, are the evil spawn of El Diablo (hah, I’ll believe that one when pigs fly) and that they are “secretly” plotting to eradicate everyone else.
Assume this were my beliefs, and that I openly stated my beliefs on this website: Anglo-Saxons are actually secretly the spawn of Satan. They run the country and every American war was under white leaders. Tons of them are rich CEOs with lots of money. They had a major involvement in the civil rights movement, and the open borders lobby. One of their most important countries (Britain) is responsible for giving the land that constitutes modern Israel, which (according to Mel Gibson) is “the reason for all the wars in the world”. They owned and tortured countless black slaves, and they overrun Hollywood and the media. The police (which they control too) go easy on those white crackers while arresting and charging minorities 5-11 times more often for drug use, even though they both use illicit drugs at about the same rate. Their ancestors killed Native Americans!
Therefore “we” need to run them out of “our” country.
Would I be acting “civil”? Would everyone on this blog consider me a “brave” or “daring” opponent of PC, who doesn’t need to be put in his place? Note that everything I just stated about whites is technically factual, except for the first statement, which is a phony religious nonsense.
John Savage on 01 May 2008 at 6:03 pm #
Andrew T., if you prefer a site where “anti-Semitic” views are censored, you can try hanging around Taki’s Magazine or Chronicles, or maybe View from the Right. I’m sure they would love to have you there.
roho on 01 May 2008 at 6:56 pm #
Cultural ballance is an imposibility within multicilturalism, just as sporting events rarely end in a tie. All cultures cling to their own culture, with both pride and an attitude of competitiveness. (it’s normal.) And all cultures have their moments of both shame and fame………Whether it be the British Empire, King David’s United Israelite Empire, or The American Empire, or even the USSR Empire, the road between shame and fame travels both ways and constantly changes.
But TRUTH is TRUTH, and is often smothered under PC……….I vote for truth, be it fame or shame, and let the chips fall where they may.
Example: PC says “White merchants kidnapped Africans and sold them into slavery in the old south……………….”Have you ever seen a seaman very good at navigating jungles?”……………….Africans captured Africans and sold them to merchants just as caucasions captured caucasions and sold them into slavery for centuries. Sparticus was a Roman slave, as the Israelites became slaves to the Babalonians, as the Egyptians placed the Hebrews in slavery……….and everybody that lost a battle, or war were either executed or placed in slavery as a commodity. Now Africa is a large continent with large numbers of tribes…….So, like in any multicultural environment, who did the capturing? Could it have been the sharpest, most creative, most intelectual, most healthy, most organized, or all of the above?…….In the sixties, Castro didn’t send us his scientist, doctors, chemists, educaters, etc. He opened his prisons!
My point is that PC hides the complexities of multiculturalism, and almost always the truths………And there will be those that see my examples as rascist, where I simply refuse to conform to a lie out of courtesy. All cultures have their shame and fame.(See how nice I was substituting culture for race).
ERIC on 01 May 2008 at 8:39 pm #
Just for the record, I believe white people are sinners, and some of them are so lost that they, by their sinfull nature, are part of the problem too.
But I’d rather deal with JUST the lost/sinfull whites instead of a combination of them plus Blacks, Mexicans, Jews ect.
Do the math and you will find out that this country is center-left.
If we didn’t have the Blacks, Mexicans, Jews ect. and only had to deal with lost/sinfull whites, this country would be at least center-right if not fully right and a lot of the policies we advocate here on this website would be in place.
Not to mention this country would be safer to live in.
P.S. I’m sorry for creating an intense discussion, I thought my first post in this thread would be simple to understand and would be left alone without further discussion.
My fault.
Andrew T. on 02 May 2008 at 12:50 am #
No no no, none of this asinine “if-then” about who’s living in this country. A large number of minorities in the United States are here legally and ethically, and to be honest, I’m happy to have them here. Whether someone has lighter or darker skin doesn’t make a lick of difference to me. I look at character. If someone of another race than you happen to act inappropriately, it’s all about who they are and they just so happen to be of a certain race, so their race has no causal effect on their wrongness, and it’s pathetic and disgusting to pretend that it is.