Posted under Election 2008 & Politics
Dear Republican Party:
The GOP has become entirely too liberal for real conservatives. If things do not change, we will have no choice but to vote third party, perhaps Constitution Party.
Regarding the 2008 election, the following candidates are completely unacceptable: John McCain, Rudolph Giuliani, Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Sam Brownback, Mike Huckabee, Jeb Bush, Condoleezza Rice, et al. They are all neocons, all support the third-world invasion of the United States, and thus all (at least in our eyes) are guilty of treason.
Unless a candidate is chosen who is tough on immigration (like Ron Paul, Tom Tancredo, Duncan Hunter), not only shall we leave the GOP, but we shall encourage others to leave as well.
Along the lines of Russell Kirk, we support a traditional conservatism. We especially would like to address the following four points:
- We oppose the third-world invasion of the United States, and want drastic reductions in both legal and illegal immigration, especially from the third world.
- We oppose free trade, as conservatives historically have done. Our current trade deficit is horrendous, our economy fading, and our national sovereignty eroding away.
- We oppose a liberal interventionist government and thus oppose the illegal neocon war in Iraq. The transformation of the Middle East to liberal democracy is Jacobin, not conservative.
- We oppose the outrageous growth of the Federal government – at all 3 levels. We would like to see the majority federal programs and offices shut down, and for most governing authority to be returned to the states.
Sincerely,
Brian Watkins (Columbus, OH); David L. Hatfield (VA); Sara Jones Carter (St. Louis, MO); Kathryn Wills (Dayton, OH); Tony Downly (MO); Jim Shelton (Fallbrook, CA); B. J. Blackerby (Parkville, MO); Thor H. Asgardson (Oceanside, CA); John W Lillpop (San JOse, CA); Hal Washburn (Olalla, WA); James H. Campbell (Fountain Hills, AZ); Jonathan Grubbs (Sanford, FL); Kay Emery (Siloam Springs, AR); Gary Suydam (Kingwood, TX); Gregory Coates; Terry Graham (ID); Barbara Anderson (Portland, OR); Carol Derbis (Oceanside, CA); Royce Zook (Austin, TX); Susan Hoffmann (Aurora, IL); Brian Sears; BJ Marvin (Hermiston, OR); Diane Alden (Carrollton, GA); Hugh Bodey (OR); Carl Segvich (Chicago, IL); Eric La Grange; Tom Craighead (Lubbock,TX); Chris Duncan (Mt. Vernon, IL); Susan Trevino; Anothony Cicoria (FL); Carol Suits (Lewisville, TX); Paul & Michelle Klein (Des Plaines, IL); Roger Guran (Montery Park, CA); Mark Atkins (West Columbia, TX); Ingrid Nicholson (NH); Theodore C. Allen (Andewrson, CA); Ken Anderson (Millinocket, ME); Ray C. Lively (Spring Hill, FL); Ross L. Gillum (Snohomish, WA); Nedd Kareiva (Chicago, IL); Margaret Dalton (Philadelphia, PA); Pastor Roger Anghis; Paul Plasters (Rockford, IL); Jerry Kranendonk; Sally Davis (SD); Al Doyle; Thomas Porter (Myrtle Beach, SC); Mike Stiffler (Golden Valley, AZ); David K. Schumann (Reno, NV); Lauren Kim Frank (Valley Springs, CA); Burr V Deitz; Hank Coburn (Lennox, CA); Don R. Bingham (Lebanon, MO); Howard L. Wilson (Andover, NH); Karen Whalen (Phoenix, AZ); Jennive J. Ramsey (Florence, MS); Steven Latimer (Richmond, VA); Leon Donahue (Tacoma, WA); Shirely A. Jorgenson (Royal Oaks, CA); Alice Smith (Omak, WA); Howard L. Wilson; Nicole Venable (Yorkville, IL); Teri Harris (Hermiston, OR); Kevin Harris (Hermiston, OR); Mr. and Ms. Marcus Blitz (Youngstown, NY); Carl Clark (Mesa, AZ); Susan Trevino (Pasadena, TX); Roger Campbell (VA);
Contact: gopletter@yahoo.com
Anonymous on 07 Feb 2007 at 11:58 am #
The GOP is becoming too liberal. Just look at Martinez.
i agree on 07 Feb 2007 at 12:21 pm #
T agree for the most part, its time to do something about illegal aliens in this country, they are sucking the economy dry. and taking any and everything they can sink their teeth into.
Chris Campbell on 07 Feb 2007 at 1:18 pm #
No mention about abortion, so as long as the GOP gets yet another chance (this is getting into triple digits), they will support GOP if it is about anything other than child genocide and offering up to Moloch.
How about just skipping the empty threats and goind straight to the Constitution Party???
Trust me, you will sleep better and be far more happy. Its like a weight was lifted off my back a few years ago–no more biting tongues, selling out or bowing down!!!
Chris Campbell
Chairman, CP of NC
Chris Campbell on 07 Feb 2007 at 1:19 pm #
http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php
Bradigans on 07 Feb 2007 at 1:34 pm #
Just noticed,
Couldn’t see where Jesus was voting third party, perhaps Constitution Party.
This is important to me because my Bible tells me in 1 Timothy 6:15-16 – Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
If you can show me where Christ Jesus is interested in the third party vote, i might show some interest.
IN HIS LOVE,
Filmer on 07 Feb 2007 at 2:21 pm #
Chris, nothing would make me happier than for the CP to usurp the GOP and become the conservative party. (The GOP has never really been the conservative party. It has always been the party of state capitalism [thanks Dr. Clyde Wilson] and nationalism/Federalism [with a capital F]. But that is for another thread.)
But there is no harm, IMO, with conservatives working in the GOP primary system as long as they don’t commit to vote in the general election for the GOP nominee whoever he is.
Do you mind filling us in on who might run for the CP nomination? I have heard rumors, but I won’t steal your thunder.
Write up the potential candidates, and we will post it here.
Also, please let your CP contacts know about this truly conservative site.
levotb on 07 Feb 2007 at 6:30 pm #
I’d be careful throwing your ’08 vote to The CP candidate. In 2004, Peroutka sounded more like a preacher giving a fiery sermon than a politician, and preachers we need running the country about as much as we need politicians. Every sentence out of Peroutka’s mouth had “God” in it. While I am a Christian American, I don’t want religion or a holier-than-thou-because-I-follow-the-Bible mentality clouding the picture. I want a true conservative running the show, with fellow conservatives around him–not the neocons of the GOP nor shadowy characters like Howard Phillips running the show from behind a syke as Frank Morgan did in The Wizard of Oz! I don’t want “Psycho” Pat Robertson or Jerry “Fatso” Fallwell running my party! The CP has got to shed it’s Christian-only image before I’ll vote for its candidate.
Suzanne Stallings on 07 Feb 2007 at 7:35 pm #
The Gop does not deserve another chance to betray America! They had the opportunity to restore our Constitutional Republic, which the Constitution Party will do!
The GOP front-runners are all status-quo candidates, so the GOP did not
get the message that the will of the people comes first!
Rudy Takala on 07 Feb 2007 at 8:01 pm #
Ditto Levotb.
Sean Scallon on 07 Feb 2007 at 8:49 pm #
If I’m with the Ron Paul campaign, I’d get the names off this letter and contact each of them because its these folks that would be willing workers for his campaign.
Filmer on 07 Feb 2007 at 9:08 pm #
Mrs. Stallings,
The key to what you said is “front-runners.” I could not agree more that they are all “status-quo candidates.”
But Ron Paul is actually more conservative than some of the names I have heard as possible CP candidates. Importantly, he is anti-intervention and has been since the beginning. Rumor has it that Howard Phillips tried to talk Ron Paul into running as the CP candidate.
I say we should get behind Paul in the primary. If one of the unacceptable front-runners wins the nomination then we get behind the CP nominee. Paul running in the primary actually helps the CP in my opinion, just as the Buchanan campaign in ’96 had the potential to help the CP. It will create, identify and energize a block of voters who are unhappy with the status quo.
Filmer on 07 Feb 2007 at 9:25 pm #
levotb, Rudy Takala
You can’t please everybody. There is a group within the CP that believes the Party is not explicitly Christian enough.
Look at it this way. Conservatism in America and in the West for that matter is intrinsically tied to Christianity because the societies themselves are inseparable from the Christianity that molded them. Or as is the case with post-Christian Europe, Christianity is separated from the society at its peril. America was founded as a Christian society. There is no harm in recognizing that and much potential benefit. If we were unafraid to recognize that then we would need not be so squeamish in halting Muslim immigration, for example. I think rigid secularism has no place in conservatism because it is a recent development and is ahistorical.
That said, I don’t think a political party is the place for being dogmatic about highly disputed theological issues. So a conservative party in America should acknowledge the Christian heritage of this country, but should not be schismatic on doctrinal issues.
Doctrinal issue can decide where you go to church on Sunday, but a political party of any consequence needs to be broader than certain tight theological bounds.
Would that satisfy you?
Filmer on 07 Feb 2007 at 9:43 pm #
levotb,
“shadowy characters like Howard Phillips”
I’m not sure what you mean by that. I think we all owe Mr. Phillips a debt of gratitude. He was one of the originators of the “new right,” but unlike most of the others he realized fairly early on that the movement had gone astray and visibly broke from it. Other conservative leaders should have done the same, but they stuck with modern conservatism and you can see the results. I don’t know if they could have changed things, but maybe they could have had they not been so slavishly devoted to the GOP.
I think that now Weyrich, Viguerie, and +/- Devine are having second thoughts and perhaps see the wisdom of Phillips’ early departure. I don’t want to put words in their mouths. Viguerie has been the most vocal in dissent.
My only issue with Phillips is that he remained a big defense Cold Warrior for too long.
Richard G. Shuster on 08 Feb 2007 at 12:15 am #
A liberal friend was asking me recently, “as a conservative, Rick, in your opinion, what are the real issues confronting the United States? “What follows is a heartfelt series of issues that I feel are the core of this nation’s political, moral and individual concerns.
The “War on Terror” is, in reality, World War 3. The war in Iraq is but a small part of the bigger picture. No effort should be minimized to target and destroy these sworn enemy fascists who are the enemy of civilization, liberty and freedom.
Inadequate pay, medical care, disabilities and other earned benefits for today’s military and for all veterans and their loved ones.
Ignoring the real economic, historical and cultural issues created by out-of-control illegal immigration. There is a real need to enforce the laws and shore up our borders, both north and south.
Lack of honesty, responsibility and accountability in government, business, media and the private sector.
The insidious spread of socialism, which is the redistribution of wealth through taxation from those who work and earn to those who choose not to but expect the same as those who do.
Destruction of founding faith in God and Judeo-Christian principles; through wide-spread slaughter of unborn children, same-sex couples demanding equal status of marriage and teaching of acceptability of its practices.
The corruption of our written and taught history and general focus on left of center socialistic teachings in our schools, governmental units and even the new age feel-good “churches”.
The ilegitimizing of our Constitution and other founding documents by courts, judges, justices and politicians.
The timidity of facing our enemies and allies eyeball to eyeball, for fear we will appear aggressive.
Richard G. Shuster
rgsjesshuster@charter.net
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A Smith on 13 Feb 2007 at 4:20 am #
The only way I’d stay with the GOP is if Ron Paul runs.
Josh Daniels on 13 Feb 2007 at 5:06 am #
You all are what’s wrong with our Republican party in the first place. None of you are Republicans, and few of you are Libertarians, most of you are more likely Constitutional Party adherents and almost all of you are ignoramuses.
1. “Third world invasion”: illegal immigrants are a problem so long as they are illegal and undocumented, this is a security risk and is all around bad policy, however, we need immigrants, immigrants increase our labor force and accelerate our economic growth. Our current birthrate trends are barely above the replacement level and with the growth of federal entitlement spending we will go bankrupt without an increase in working age adults (although I also think we need to decrease entitlement program spending, medicare part D is a liberal disaster)
2. Opposing free trade means you favor more government intervention with regards to economic policy, this is liberal any way you cut it. Free trade is vital to economic growth and global competitiveness; tariffs, subsidies, and other protectionist policies are terrible and we will lose to China if we implement them (take a basic economics class for this). The trade deficit is not inherently bad but is only one side of the “current accounts” coin, the other side is that if we run a trade deficit we will run a capital surplus meaning we have more domestic investment opportunities than we have domestic investors and thus will end up having more foreigners investing in our domestic economy. Economically we are no better or worse off, ideologically (sovereignty issues?), we may be in trouble because these foreign investors control more of our economy. The answer is to incentivize less consumer consumption and more savings (perhaps privatize social security?), but the net effect is still economic growth. Read Adam Smith–A true Conservative or rather Classical Liberal.
3. Interventionist foreign policy: while this may be unsettling to some modern conservatives and traditional classical liberals, it is a reality in todays global environment. We have very important regional interests in the middle east and we have serious security and defense issues if political problems go unresolved. One basic function of government that most Conservatives believe in is a strong national defense. Well, in a world like this one, we must be somewhat proactive in order to secure the common defense, case in point: 9/11. What we really need to do is blame Great Britain for all of this since it was their disaster of a post-imperialist policy that created most of this mess (see Israel, Kuwait, Iraq, Africa, etc.)
4. Growth of federal government and return to Federalism and State’s Rights: Now we are talking, perhaps the South should have won the war! One reform: repeal the 15th amendment, no more popular election of Senators, they are not representing States in the current arrangement. DOE needs to go, grant system needs to go. Choke the beast by cutting spending. Balance budget, no deficit, persistent tax cuts, earmark reform, etc.
Finally, the real “Liberals” in the party are the “Social Conservative,” these are the real neocons who believe in increasing governmental power and intrusion in to your lives for their “moral” agenda. If this happens, wait to see the fallout when real lefties are in charge, they will take this increased government power in the “moral” arena to wreak havoc on traditional society and the “culture wars” will be lost. I believe the answer is to reduce federal power and government power in general. More freedom and liberty = better society.
Carl Deen on 13 Feb 2007 at 1:24 pm #
I stopped voting but I would support and vote for Ron Paul. The small group that owns the media give the public pea-in-the-pod Republicans and Democrats that do their bidding and ridicule or ignore everyone else. True Republicans and Democrats the media features on the news??? talk a different talk but they vote alike.
They will posture and put on a show for the public’s benefit, but afterwards they have drinks together and laugh at how easy they can fool the public.
Bede on 13 Feb 2007 at 2:32 pm #
There is little difference between Clinton, Obama, McCain and Giuliani.
They all are globalists, all support the third-world invasion of the USA, and all support an interventionist foreign policy.
Bede on 13 Feb 2007 at 2:38 pm #
Josh Daniels,
(1) Legal immigration is just as much of a problem as illegal immigration.
Watch the 14 minute video Immigration by the Numbers
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265
(2) Historically conservatives have opposed free trade. Just read Russell Kirk. And you have the cart before the horse. Free trade in fact makes not only the federal government larger but also international organizations, which must regulate it, and which encroach upon a nation’s sovereignty. Free trade is nothing but a type of international socialism where a few select corporations benefit at the expense of the free market and everyone else.
(3) The war in Iraq is liberal interventionism. The transformation of the Middle East to liberal democracy is Jacobin, not conservative. Ever hear of the French Revolution? Know the origin of the terms ‘right’ / ‘conservative’? They were not on the side of the Jacobins, I’ll tell you that.
(4) No, the big-government fanatics are the neocons. Kristol openly supports “big government conservatism,” which he later admitted is neoliberalism. They also support affirmative action, that Marxist MLK, and the third-world invasion of the USA.
Brian B. Mickelwait on 13 Feb 2007 at 5:26 pm #
How can I get a copy of this (without any of the “cropping” that my printer carries out as an SOP) to send to my own supposed representative, the Honorable (?) Geo. Miller? [Actually, I consider him, and others in our government, to be more misrepresentatives than representatives, if you catch my drift.]
Gregory Coates on 13 Feb 2007 at 8:14 pm #
The Founding Fathers were Deists and Universalists and some Christians. The notion that the country was founded by Christians is mostly fanciful. I support a strict constructionist interpretation of the Constitution, but let’s continue to keep a safe distance between religion and politics.
Filmer on 13 Feb 2007 at 11:07 pm #
“The Founding Fathers were Deists and Universalists and some Christians. The notion that the country was founded by Christians is mostly fanciful.”
Some were Deists including Jefferson, but MOST were not. Read Bradford’s book on the Founding Fathers for proof.
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