Posted under Christianity & Chuck Baldwin & John McCain
Don’t do it Dr. Dobson. Don’t do it. You’ll regret it in the morning. Man up and endorse Chuck Baldwin who you obviously agree with on more issues.
Conservative Christian leader James Dobson has softened his stance against Republican presidential hopeful John McCain, saying he could reverse his position and endorse the Arizona senator despite serious misgivings.
“I never thought I would hear myself saying this,” Dobson said in a radio broadcast to air Monday. “… While I am not endorsing Senator John McCain, the possibility is there that I might.”
Dobson and other evangelical leaders unimpressed by McCain increasingly are taking a lesser-of-two-evils approach to the 2008 race. Dobson and his guest, Southern Baptist Theological Seminary president Albert Mohler, spend most of the pretaped Focus on the Family radio program criticizing Democratic candidate Barack Obama, getting to McCain at the very end.
Will they never learn? I suggest you e-mail Dobson and ask him to endorse Chuck Baldwin. I plan to.
HarrisonBergeron2 on 21 Jul 2008 at 5:23 pm #
I’ll see your “ugh” and raise you a “yuck.”
Some folks think they HAVE to back one candidate or the other, or be irrelevant.
It’s the broken system that’s now irrelevant — and so is anyone who puts his faith in it.
Filmer on 21 Jul 2008 at 5:37 pm #
I hope he doesn’t do this. I have been taking up for Dodson since he first said he wouldn’t vote for McCain. The sad thing about it is that he would be so much more relevant if he did endorse Baldwin. It would make news. Attract new voters to Baldwin and the CP. If he backs McCain it will be a non-story.
Brad C on 21 Jul 2008 at 7:24 pm #
I respect Dr. Dobson for the resistance he has put up so far. I understand his temptation to endorse a so-called “mainstream” candidate, however. After all, he is not some anonymous blogger–he has something to lose if he comes to be seen as “irrelevant” or “extremist” by endorsing a third-party candidate or, in line with the League of the South and HarrisonBergeron, acknowledging the essential futility of the current political system as a means of restoring a sane social order. I hope that he begins a revolution in turning away Evangelical voters from adherence to the Republican party, but it looks doubtful at this point.
roho on 21 Jul 2008 at 8:44 pm #
So, how long will it take for Chirstians to recognize our modern day Pharisees and Sadducees for what they are?………The great TV and Radio Council, with one foot in the puplpit, and another in the offices of the politicians.
HarrisonBergeron2 on 21 Jul 2008 at 9:17 pm #
I’d forgotten just how strongly he’d once opposed McCain:
“Speaking as a private individual, I would not vote for John McCain under any circumstances.”
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/07/mccain-dobson-e.html
Oopsies.
Andrew T. on 21 Jul 2008 at 11:42 pm #
It appears that what people in the conservative movement are trying to do right now is play hush hush and pretend that a wonderful candidate like Chuck Baldwin does not exist. This is all bullhockey, of course. Most of them have heard of Baldwin and know what he stands for.
roho on 22 Jul 2008 at 12:42 am #
You are correct Andrew T…………….But Baldwin lacks the single most important quality to be a U.S. Politician, much less a sitting President?
He’s not an “Israel Firster”, willing to sacrifice the offspring of U.S. Citizens for the sake of Zionism. He could be a member of the GOP, Democrats, Green, Constitutional Party, Libertarian, or Bullmoose Party, but he has not had the stamp of approval placed on him at AIPAC.
If I remember correctly, the private jet of either Pat Robertson or Jerry Fallwell was provided by the Knesset……………………..WHY?
csason on 22 Jul 2008 at 2:33 pm #
You know..in reality, McCain and Obama should just ‘co-nominate’ each other..in grand globalist style, and reach across the aisle in perpetuity.
Dobson has just come to the realization that we all have to..do we just hand this Congress our heads on a silver platter by allowing the first
Affirmative Action POTUS, as was noted on this website earlier, or do we
try to *elect* (wink wink) at least someone who has to continue the warped illusion of being in favor of some amount of the conservative
platform..???
The only chance this country has of escaping the NAU or the NWO is to
rigorously replace congress with representation of normal people.
ERIC on 22 Jul 2008 at 3:32 pm #
Pat Buchanan’s new column called where the ducks are.
It’s a good one.
http://buchanan.org/blog/2008/07/pjb-where-the-ducks-are/
He talks about how McCain can win the election by courting the Reagan/conservative democrats.
I personally don’t like McCain and I don’t like politicians that pander for votes, but if you read Pat’s article and think of a politician that holds the following principles laid out in this paragraph below from the article, Pat is exactly right.
“Among the issues on which Republicans can find common ground with Democrats are language, borders, culture, affirmative action, re-industrializing the nation and retention of our sovereignty.”
Add in non-intervention, anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage and you got a winner.
Makes you think of Chuck Baldwin, but the problem is Baldwin is on a third party ticket.
roho on 23 Jul 2008 at 2:08 am #
I’ve concluded that about 20% of the voting poulation vote on principle, and the other 80% look at it like picking a football team or nascar driver hoping that they can say that they picked a winner.
Sean Scallon on 23 Jul 2008 at 4:59 pm #
Gee, haven’t you all heard of the bandwagon effect?
We’re way past the point where so-called Christian conservatives are an independent political force. They are fully ensconsed in the GOP and a result they’re simply doing their duty as they see it to back that party’s presidential candidate even if they’re doing it holding their noses.
Just the other day I received the National Right to Life’s news magazine and did it include Chuck Baldwin and Bob Barr in their candidate comparisons? Heck No! To do that would suggest there was an alternative to McCain and there are alternatives to the GOP and that’s not what these groups want their voting blocs to see or hear.
It’s amazing that liberal groups have no problem acting up and out if the Democrats are betraying their cvore values. This would be true of labor, or pro-abortion groups, feminists, peac activists you name it. They remind the Democrats who butters their bread.
Conservatives on the other hand, meekly acquiese themseleves to the Republican Party and then expect somehow that party reward their subservience with some sort of benefit. Yet does patronage or judges make up for lack of action or movement on policy issues? Apparanetly they think so.
Or maybe it comes to the belief that Doboson and his cohorts don’t want to be blamed by their intra-party foes for McCain’s loss. So they’ll go through the motions of supporting him.
So if they wish to enslaves themselves within the Republican Party that’s fine. If they really thought Obama was that bad they would have spoken up on him a lot earlier. Their lack of enthusiasm speaks a lot more volumnes than their meere words.
Although I’ll give credit to Doboson for admitting he’s flip-flopping. In fact this whole year should be entitled “Year of the Flip-Floppers”.
Jay Madison on 02 Aug 2008 at 9:28 pm #
ABC.com has a 30 July 2008 article, “McCain and Obama Have Already Spent Over $50 Million on General Election TV Ads.†That is a portion of the total cost of doing political business in an election year. Dobson, Rush Limbaugh and their wannabes can change the cost of doing political business significantly.
Dobson & Rush Limbaugh give the GOP the greatest bang for their buck. Their frequent listeners are more politically active than the general audience targeted for the $24.7 M spent by the GOP thus far.
HuffingtonPost.com posted an article on 10 October 2005, “What If Dobson Is Lying?†by Max Blumenthal: “During the presidential campaign, Dobson’s newly- formed 501 c-4, Focus on the Family Action, used the threat of Kerry victory as fodder to raise $8.8 million dollars in 5 months….Dobson is a self-help guru at the helm of a $120 million dollar organization. You think he doesn’t have something to hide?â€
Dobson has a business to run. He sells products and takes donations: “Focus on the Family is a public charity exempt from federal income tax as an organization described in Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code. All contributions to the Organization are tax deductible to the fullest extent allowed by law.â€
Some Christians are financially independent; and they contribute to various 501 (c)(3) organizations. Some of the Christian wealthy have political interests that have been vested in GOP for decades. McCain v Obama isn’t in their best social interest; but it really is a matter of being GOP first and Christian second, under the subtle guise of separation of church and state.
GOP financiers know that money is fungible; and they know McCain is depressing news for too many. All they have to do is persuade enough of Dobson’s big donors to suggest that Dobson take another look at McCain next to the bottom line for his business. Dobson believes that his business is doing the Lord’s work. A lot of the Lord’s work will not get done without donations. Both major candidates are bad; and one of the two will win. Why not promote McCain and keep the cash flowing? “For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows†(1 Timothy 6:10).
Dobson does not understand that Christians doing the Lord’s work the Devil’s way aren’t working for the Lord. They are working for their own ego, money, or both. It’s possible that they don’t realize “The just shall live by faith†(Romans 1:17). Hebrews 11 has a good description of how that works. Some start off ignorant and wise up later in life; but Dobson is far closer to the end of life than the start.
When God’s folk do His work the Devil’s way, you get hypocrisy born of pragmatism: “Duty is ours and so are the results.†It’s a little different from doing God’s work His way and leaving the results to Him. The state of evil affairs on this earth is God’s problem! Christians who don’t do things God’s way are part of that problem!
Dobson’s pro-life rhetoric outside of politics is greatly diminished by his pro-choice political message. McCain is the Republicans for Choice second choice for President; and he voted to confirm Ginsberg and Breyer to the Supreme Court. The Republican National Coalition for Life puts the very best spin that can be put on McCain: “John McCain supports abortion for babies conceived through rape or incest and is an outspoken supporter of embryonic stem cell research, having voted to extend federal funding for such experiments.†The San Francisco Chronicle on August 20, 1999 quoted McCain: “But certainly in the short term, or even in the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to (undergo) illegal and dangerous operationsâ€
Judie Brown, President of American Life League, puts this issue into perspective for Chrsitains: “It’s time for all of us to repent of our political inertia, heed the words of Christ and resolve with renewed vigor to abandon all else; we must follow Christ, focus on Christ, heed His truth, preach His truth and leave behind all that is not of Christ. It’s time to take a stand with courage, without apology and with renewal of commitment. It’s time to agree that we will never participate in any political or legislative campaign that in any way emphasizes what is politically attainable rather than what is morally correct.†Her article, “Politics of Appeasement,†was published in The Covenant News ~ June 7, 2007.
Dobson has a choice in this election; and his name is Chuck Baldwin, not John Barak ObamaCain. If Dobson really wanted to vote for a lesser-evil, then vote for Bob Barr. He has stated that abortion is murder; and it’s up to the states to deal with murder. But sandwiched between the Oreo cookie represented by John Barak ObamaCain is evil; and it sticks to both of those bipartisans equally.