July
25th 2008
Posted under Interventionism & Iraq & Obama
The whole idea of the Obama Con was silly from the beginning, but Raimondo is clearly off that bandwagon.
Hopefully the anti-war left will see where this is all going also and vote for Nader.
I would like to see Raimondo endorse Chuck Baldwin, but I’m not counting on it.
Hat tip: LRC
Andrew T. on 25 Jul 2008 at 3:36 pm #
If someone tells you that he is “conservative” and supports Obama, do your own sanity one good favor and laugh at him. ANYTHING conservative, and democratic socialist, “Ich Bin Ein Berliner”, Citizen of the World Obama, are at total, irreconcilable odds. The candidate of the opposing party is no better, in fact, McCain is infinitely worse because, in our stupefied, narcissistic, voluntary rag-wearing, fast food guzzling, trash-pseudo-music-pirating society, ANY facade that the standard bearer of the GOP presents will represent “conservative”, and so the range of publicly tolerated right-of-center opinion is lowered once again and for all time. The only exception is if he accidentally violates PC.
Don’t vote, damn it. Send the message that will matter even more: a total cold shoulder, an embittered voteless vote of zero confidence. The initial entryway that the statist elite has over the ability to control your life is when you begin to tell them that the State has some special relevance for you or that you have something to gain from it. After that point, the slide toward a totalitarian singularity is allowed to begin, as long as the power elite prove they are “benevolent”, e.g. that they use their power to tax to redistribute welfare and handouts that only ephemerally reproduce what would have been achieved under hard work and productivity.
Andrew T. on 25 Jul 2008 at 3:36 pm #
If someone tells you that he is “conservative” and supports Obama, do your own sanity one good favor and laugh at him. ANYTHING conservative, and democratic sociailist, “Ich Bin Ein Berliner”, Citizen of the World Obama, are at total, irreconcilable odds. The candidate of the opposing party is no better, in fact, McCain is infinitely worse because, in our stupefied, narcissistic, voluntary rag-wearing, fast food guzzling, trash-pseudo-music-pirating society, ANY facade that the standard bearer of the GOP presents will represent “conservative”, and so the range of publicly tolerated right-of-center opinion is lowered once again and for all time. The only exception is if he accidentally violates PC.
Don’t vote, damn it. Send the message that will matter even more: a total cold shoulder, an embittered voteless vote of zero confidence. The initial entryway that the statist elite has over the ability to control your life is when you begin to tell them that the State has some special relevance for you or that you have something to gain from it. After that point, the slide toward a totalitarian singularity is allowed to begin, as long as the power elite prove they are “benevolent”, e.g. that they use their power to tax to redistribute welfare and handouts that only ephemerally reproduce what would have been achieved under hard work and productivity.
RonL on 25 Jul 2008 at 5:43 pm #
Raimondo isn’ta conservative and never has been. He is an isolationist libertarians with an attachment to hatred of Israel.
Trent Hill on 25 Jul 2008 at 11:27 pm #
I consider Raimondo a conservative. His commentary in TakiMag, AmConMag, and elsewhere have always been on pretty solid footing. His article in TakiMag against gay marriage is the one I always cite.
roho on 25 Jul 2008 at 11:54 pm #
How sad………….Did everyone expect Obama to be a pascifist? A non-interventionist? A classic liberal that only wants to feed the poor, and then exit to work with the less fortrunate?
Haaaaaaaa! Haaaaaaa! Haaaaaaaa! AIPAC owns him as well! They own them all!
My own Senator(Jeff Sessions-Al)just sent me a response telling me how very, very, dangerous Iran is to the world, and trying to develop Nuclear Weapons!……..WOW!…….Outside the Neocon Bush Administration, NOBODY THINKS THAT THEY ARE DEVELOPING NUCLEAR WEAPONS including the U.N. INSPECTORS!…….Our Government has become as silly as a Saturday Night Live Skit!…………..But, one thing that is a fact is that ISRAEL does have 300 + NUKES and refuses to allow anybody to inspect them.(What hypocracy!)
We should have killed UBL at Tora Bora with a Nuetron Bomb, and told the Pakistanians to stay indoors for about a week. Then brought our troops home, never invaded Iraq, and sent a message to the world:
1. We still have nukes and will use them.(Are you listening China & Russia?)
2. We really don’t care if the radical muslims beat their women and pray 5 times a day.(We were after the murderer of 911.)
3. Iraq is a sovereign nation and no Iraqi’s were on those planes.
4. Iran may be a terrorist state?……So did you see how that worked out for UBL?
5. Israel………..You have no oil, and your olives arn’t that good either! Try to get along with your neighbors!
Only Chuck Baldwin understands that AIPAC and ISRAEL are controlling our foreign policy through the ability to FUND candidates in the U.S. election process!
Now, I need to write my gutless senator!
Weaver on 26 Jul 2008 at 12:50 am #
He’s a left libertarian – we all know that…
If right means anything, Raimondo certainly isn’t right-wing, but this is America where words are free to mean anything they please.
What does Raimondo think on immigration, trade, tradition, religion, historical preservation? He’s left wing…
Libertarians like Raimondo fail to understand the concept of community.
However, he’s not a left-socialist at least.
Andrew T. on 26 Jul 2008 at 3:42 am #
Weaver,
Maybe Raimondo is not right-wing (or maybe, just maybe, your own definition of right-wing is so oddly narrow that even I don’t fit it). But he’s certainly not “left”, either.
Where is Raimondo on immigration? I’m pretty sure he is for secure borders, but it’s just not his specialty at all. And I know he supports freedom of religion, and the right to prayer in school (well, as long as those things still have to be public property). I haven’t seen much on one side or another about tradition or historical preservation from him, but then again, it’s just not something he talks about in his writings. Except for books, what he writes about is almost exclusively on the topic of foreign policy and war.
I think that free trade is actually right-wing, and I believe that protectionism…well, it sucks.
Patroon on 26 Jul 2008 at 3:22 pm #
I’m a big fan of Justin’s but his mood swings on Obama deserve a chuckle. Look, anyone who has seen the read the words of the foreign policy crew around Obama and understand what Obama has said the past knows that his politics points towards left-interventionism as opposed to neocon interventionism. Remember Antiwar.com was created in 1995 during the middle of the Clinton administration to oppose such interventionism and we’ll be going back to it as soon as Obama is elected. A neocon could have easily given that speech in Berlin. Obama has concludes, as has many Americans, that the war in Iraq was complety unnecessary and that our business there should be concluded so we can find a “purer” cause of intervention in a place where there’s no transparent economic interest, like oil or natural gas for example. That would mean bombing Darfur and invading Zimbabwe.
But that’s fine with me. Such policies need an opponent and who better than the Paul-wing of the GOP and its allies? It certainly isn’t going to be the neocons who are going to be effective opponents of invasions they theoretically would not have problems with. If Obama decides to send U.S. troops to Darfur in the first year of his presidency, what do you think the GOP response will be? Anything at all? That’s why and Obama victory will benefit non-interventionists in the long run and that’s why I hope voting for Barr or Baldwin will sink John McCain and the neocons back into the swamps where they belong.
Weaver on 26 Jul 2008 at 7:26 pm #
Well said Patroon.
It’s difficult to take the “Obama will create the best reaction” position though since we’ll need to be reacting if he’s elected, haha.
But I agree with you on the war and on other issues Obama would create a better reaction.
Also, the leviathan ought to be given a face to match the multicult, and Obama dissolves the myth around the world that America is an imperial English power. Now, perhaps when America annoys or infuriates some tribe on the other side of the globe, the multicult and the globalist leviathan will be blamed rather than a European power.
Obama might also help dissolve the myth that America is Israel’s proxy, since Obama has some Muslim ancestry.
Weaver on 26 Jul 2008 at 7:32 pm #
Andrew,
I dunno if you’re right or left, I’m familiar with many of your positions but not as familiar as I am with Raimondo’s. Raimondo is left wing on most every issue – he’s a classical liberal or nearly so. However, I do appreciate all he’s done and that he tirelessly fights for what he believes in. Currently I’ve far more in common with him politically than I do the socialist left, however trade is a major issue, sometimes I think more important than immigration. If globalism is to be stopped and “American” businesses made American once again, trade barriers must go up, and Raimondo doesn’t want any sort of barriers, which helps globalism.
RonL is clearly a man of the right, however I tend to disagree with him on foreign policy more than I currently do with Raimondo.
Dale D. on 26 Jul 2008 at 8:17 pm #
I agree with what someone recently posted to the Google group Paleoconservatism:
roho on 27 Jul 2008 at 12:37 am #
Raimondo is a left wing/libertarian of sorts that is a great aly on non-intervention…….On other issues of the right, I’m still evaluating him with skepticism?
As for free-trade, the right still has far too many that are willing to sign ANYTHING under the guise of free-trade, not realizing that they just gave their grandchildren away to prove their correctness!……..I’m a Buchananite, and look more for “Fair Trade” or get on down the road!
Andrew T. on 27 Jul 2008 at 4:27 am #
So Weaver, why is RonL clearly a man of the right, whereas there is some doubt about myself in relation to him? Explanation, please? Don’t forget to explain it so in the only way it in the way I can understand it — in words.
Waiting for everyone in the world to become coffee-colored isn’t necessary, because at one time that was exactly the case! Early Homo sapiens (and many of today’s African bushmen of the same region) had reddish-brown skin.
Weaver on 27 Jul 2008 at 6:16 pm #
RonL’s ethnic oriented, concerned with Americans, Jews, and Israelis.
You appear more ideological, concerned with abstract ideals, rights, and freedoms.
roho on 27 Jul 2008 at 6:52 pm #
Andrew T……………..Take a look at Genesis 25?…….Esau(Father of the Edomites) and Jacob looked nothing alike…….So different in fact that in spite of Isaac being blind, great trickery was used to steal the blessing from Esau.(Who was darkish red and hairy).
Andrew T. on 28 Jul 2008 at 1:35 am #
roho,
The part of the Bible you are citing is post-Flood, anyway.
Andrew T. on 28 Jul 2008 at 1:46 am #
Weaver,
As if I can help being a comprehensive, outside the box thinker? You can call it being ideological if you wish, but I just like to think of it as having a good, well thought out methodology, and one that is well suited to rebuff liberal intellectuals, to boot.
Don’t you think you’re being unfair to the whole of classical liberalism by referring to it so singularly? Classical liberalism always featured a very broad assortment of people and views that happened to subscribe to a few generally definable ideas. Classical liberals were not necessarily partial to the revolutionary Jacobin left side of the French Parliament any more than the right side of it, and classical liberalism wasn’t even a self-aware movement for most of its history. John Locke and Edmund Burke are examples of right-wing classical liberals. Thomas Paine and John Stuart Mill are examples of left-wing classical liberals.
Filmer on 28 Jul 2008 at 1:52 am #
Raimondo is philosophically a libertarian, not a conservative, but he has generally been a paleolibertarian. Lately I have noticed him getting more PC. His “there is no such thing as race” article at TakiMag was just outright PC silliness.
I have a hunch that he is trying to inoculating himself with his leftist buddies, because it was alleged that he might have been one of the people who wrote some of the Ron Paul newsletters.
The coffee colored stuff was obnoxiously PC. Of course humanity started out with some intermediate amount of melanin, but the races as they exist now are the product of a long line of genetic inheritance. Why would any conservative, of any race, think that squandering that would be desirable?
Andrew T. on 28 Jul 2008 at 2:25 am #
Filmer,
I don’t exactly think of him as a paleolibertarian, but just as more of a very anti-war libertarian. Paleolibertarianism is deader than punk, anyhow.
Filmer on 28 Jul 2008 at 1:46 pm #
“I don’t exactly think of him as a paleolibertarian…”
Well, he is certainly not a practicing Christian. But he generally doesn’t wear his lack of religion on his sleeve either, like so many libertarians do. He is respectful of Christians and Christian values. That is why he could support Pat.
Hard Truth on 28 Jul 2008 at 2:36 pm #
It is a scientific fact that on average when higher IQ whites have children with lower IQ blacks the children have IQs in the intermediate range between both parents.
So any white who thinks that America becoming cafe au lait colored is a desirable result without consequences is a damned fool.
roho on 28 Jul 2008 at 9:29 pm #
Andrew T………………….”The part of the Bible that you are citing is post-flood.”
Duh………Drowned people don’t have offspring.