July
30th 2008
Anarchist dreamers
Patroon

Posted under Conservatism & Political Philosophy

It’s tempting on some days to wish to “smash the state” Rockwellian style but John Zmirak over at Takimag in this article shows why that’s not realistic.

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24 Responses to “Anarchist dreamers”

  1. Andrew T. on 30 Jul 2008 at 5:07 pm #

    John Zmirak sure does possess a good sense of humor (“If you don’t kiss a conservative, then the terrorists will have won”; “Perhaps I’m a cynic, but I imagine these “protection” companies bearing names like “Bonanno” “Lucchese” and “Gambino.””). He certainly possesses a talent for precise description (“Loompanics readers”; “Ayn Ranters”).

    I’ve never heard of the “Party of the Right” before. I skimmed over their website, and well, it looked cartooney. A pompous spoof, as it were, of what you would expect a hard right student organization to be like. They speak Middle English!

  2. Weaver on 30 Jul 2008 at 6:43 pm #

    All ideas are not created equally… Yet another reason to never visit LewRockwell.com.

    It sounds like Zmirak didn’t have many Southerners attending his Party of the Right, for Southerners would have surely sided with the trads, and mostly wouldn’t have been Catholic.

  3. Weaver on 30 Jul 2008 at 6:52 pm #

    I take that back, Charley Reese, Clyde Wilson, William Lind, Paul Gottfried, PCR, Marcus Epstein, and of course Buchanan are all worth reading there, though most of what they write can be found elsewhere. Bill Barnwell’s another notable exception.

  4. Andrew T. on 30 Jul 2008 at 8:36 pm #

    Weaver,

    Southerners at Yale? Why kid yourself? And if there were a lot of Southerners, let’s be pretty freaking honest here, the IQ levels of the organization wouldn’t exactly be up to the same par.

    Of course, you purposely omitted Jeffrey Tucker, Thomas Woods, Karen De Coster, Thomas DiLorenzo, Paul Craig Roberts, David Gordon, and of course Ron Paul from your list of LRC columnists worth reading.

  5. Andrew T. on 30 Jul 2008 at 9:02 pm #

    Correction: PCR is the initials of Paul Craig Roberts, so it appears you did list him.

  6. Weaver on 30 Jul 2008 at 9:23 pm #

    Andrew,

    what would cause Southerners to have a low IQ?

    Heh, you’re a “reverse bigot”. No more may you defend anti-Jewish comments when you make such statements. Fair is fair, Roho and Eric should be able to speak their minds as long as you’re speaking yours.

  7. Weaver on 30 Jul 2008 at 9:24 pm #

    Woods and DiLorenzo are probably good guys, just too fanatical in my view. I simply don’t agree with them on much.

    The others I’m unfamiliar with.

  8. Andrew T. on 30 Jul 2008 at 9:35 pm #

    The South has a lower standard of education, ESPECIALLY when it comes to institutions of higher education. That is a factual statement.

    Most Jews in America are secular commies. Another factual statement.

    Said Jews do not secretly rule the world, and are not part of a grand conspiracy to subvert the governments of the world (or “white Europeans”) to the agenda of Israel. Yet another factual statement.

  9. Weaver on 30 Jul 2008 at 10:07 pm #

    Well yea, I agree with you there. But you said “IQ”. IQ measures intelligence, which is largely controlled by phenotype, as opposed to environment.

  10. Trent Hill on 30 Jul 2008 at 10:23 pm #

    “Of course, you purposely omitted Jeffrey Tucker, Thomas Woods, Karen De Coster, Thomas DiLorenzo, Paul Craig Roberts, David Gordon, and of course Ron Paul from your list of LRC columnists worth reading.”

    Thomas Woods, Dilorenzo, PCR, and Ron Paul are all stalwarts of the Old Right. Great men all.

  11. Andrew T. on 30 Jul 2008 at 10:46 pm #

    Weaver,

    No good biography, that I know of, about Jeffrey Tucker is available on the internet. You’ll have to trust me on my guarantee that he’s good, or maybe hold your nose and actually read some of what he writes. David Gordon is a wonderful philosopher and a freelance Austrian economist. Nothing you’d be interested in; move along, move along.

    Here is an excerpt of Karen De Koster’s own bio of herself, taken from her website:

    “I am a CPA and freelance writer who is devoted to the causes of liberty, individualism, and the free market. I embrace the right to keep and bear arms; recognize the superiority of the Articles of Confederation; subscribe to a motley assortment of minor conspiracy theories; and believe that government is evil, immoral, corrupt, and unnecessary in a free society. I am also an ardent lover and student of Austrian economics, the pro-market, anti-statist school of economics which exalts the accountant as being necessary to capitalism. Also, I proudly wear the title “Queen of Political Incorrectness”, given to me by my friend Tom DiLorenzo.

    I’m a theoretical Rothbardian because it was Murray Rothbard who wanted to systematically smash statism and fulfill the dream of liberty and prosperity for all of mankind. Other influential thinkers are Ludwig von Mises, the great Austrian praxeologist; Lysander Spooner, the 19th-century market anarchist; Albert Jay Nock, the anti-State libertarian; Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, the acclaimed conservative historian; Frederic Bastiat, the 19th-century economist; C.S. Lewis, the Christian philosopher; and the great figures of the “Old Right”, including H.L. Mencken, Garet Garrett, Frank Chodorov, John T. Flynn, and Robert A. Taft. Also, I am drawn to the cultural conservatism of Edmund Burke and Russell Kirk. ”

    …

    http://www.karendecoster.com/bio.php

  12. Filmer on 31 Jul 2008 at 3:17 am #

    Andrew, IQ has very little to do with education unless you are a Lamarckian.

    Control for demographic factors and I am sure the average Southerner is comparable to the average Northerner. If not, then there would have to be some explanation such as a historical brain drain to the North or the fact that a huge percentage of the South’s best and brightest died in that little war we had.

    I guess you could postulate some advantage for Anglo over Celtic heritage, but how much Anglo blood is left in Yankeedom these days?

  13. Weaver on 31 Jul 2008 at 3:29 am #

    He just meant education – it was a poor choice of words I think.

    The Celts outside the Republic of Ireland aren’t any dumber than the English as far as I know. It’s said the lower IQ in the Republic might be due to brain drain. The Republic sure hasn’t had a beauty drain though.

    Ulster and Wales have similar IQs to the English as I recall, though I’ve no time to check atm.

    Andrew, thanks for the introduction.

  14. Weaver on 31 Jul 2008 at 3:40 am #

    That’s the best article I’ve read by Zmirak btw. Well worth reading.

    And the comments section for once isn’t dominated by discussion of race.

  15. RedPhillips on 31 Jul 2008 at 4:15 pm #

    The whole Anglo thing is a genetic myth anyway. Male native British Islanders of whatever sort are more closely related to each other genetically than they are to other Northern Europeans. The Angloization of the Island was more of a cultural and linguistic takeover than it was a genetic one.

    There is probably some advantage to having a little blue in your blood, as the blue didn’t likely get there by accident or chance, but the averages are all going to be around a rather tight mean for any given cohort.

  16. RedPhillips on 31 Jul 2008 at 5:10 pm #

    BTW, brain drain is a very real phenomenon, especially in our modern, mobile, industrial society. Your best and brightest pick up and leave. This is not a good thing. This is one of the advantages of agrarianism. Your talent stays home. So each individual micro-society (village, town, etc.) has the whole strata. I wish people would go off to college with the intent to come back home. You would sacrifice economically, but you might salvage place.

  17. roho on 31 Jul 2008 at 9:58 pm #

    “If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be………If we are to gaurd against ignorance and remain free, it is the responsibility of every American to be informed.”

    Thomas Jefferson to Col. Yancy, 1816.

    There are those imbecils amongst the masses that have challenges understanding the differences between IGNORANCE(Lack of information) and STUPID(The lack of IQ to grasp information).

    Jefferson understood that if someone such as Abraham Lincoln should come to power, by placing newspaper editors in jail, he could limit information available, thus creating a nation of mis-informed and ignorant. RECONSTRUCTION was then put in place to CONTINUE a policy that encouraged ignorance, through mis-information!……….And, now we still have an MSM(Controlled by the Northeasterners)that continues to not only encourage ignorance at the REGIONAL level, but on a National Level. (A continuation of the Yale/Harvard Doctrine for America).

    The INTERNET has changed the Dynamics of Information(Ignorance)and now allows those that have been misinformed to ADJUST their thinking process…………..And DIXIE now has internet access!…….Therefore, it will no longer be appropriate for “Elitist Embicils” to refer to the Southern Citizen as stupid, as it only shows that the “Elitist” has not only a poor understanding of IGNORANCE VS STUPIDITY, but that their “Classical Education” has failed them!

    The original POST was on ANARCHIST, and one of my favorite definitions of this subject exists at barefoots world, down the opening page to a small blue screen. It’a video worth watching in it’s entirety for both the confused and ignorant. “A Republic, if you can keep it”.
    http://www.barefootsworld.net/

  18. Weaver on 01 Aug 2008 at 12:04 am #

    Red,

    it is a major problem. College can be done over the internet. Perhaps this could become a solution.

    The Angloization of the Island was more of a cultural and linguistic takeover than it was a genetic one.

    That’s what the genetic tests continue to show too.

  19. Weaver on 01 Aug 2008 at 1:08 am #

    Roho,

    part of the problem is the bussing/civil rights/affirmative action/general lowering of education standards for blacks.

    part of the problem is the media as you say. part is the takeover of the schools, and the resulting wariness of “academic types”.

    part is that we’re a conquered people whose heritage has been declared racist.

    part that country music has been Marxified and many Southerners now identify with these God-awful stereotypes.

  20. Weaver on 01 Aug 2008 at 1:10 am #

    Some of us are just going to need to step up as did Richard Weaver and restore our ties to our proud past.

    There’s no academia in the South? No thriving high culture? Well then, we need to step up and restore it.

  21. roho on 01 Aug 2008 at 1:56 am #

    Weaver………….The lowering of standards was intentional, and part of the plan. Affirmative action was not put in place for the citizens of Iowa? But, an agenda for the deep south to be the “Final Solution” to insure that no more Jessie Helms or Strom Thurmands ever reach the halls of congress again……………..As for the George Wallaces, “Just shoot them!”………………..Look at Trent Lott’s exit?

  22. Weaver on 01 Aug 2008 at 3:29 am #

    That’s all politics though. Politics comes more easily after culture rather than the reverse I think.

    The failure of conservatism, especially Southern conservatism, I suspect is due to 1. our embracing of liberal values and ideology. The Southern movement is suffering a massive infection of the liberal cancer. 2. our focusing on politics and not culture.

    We need to found new churches, new schools, write books, develop our own music and songs, develop our own culinary styles, etc. And the majority of this entails simply restoring the old ways and adapting them to the modern era, e.g. new cooking and musical technology allow for new twists.

    Currently the South is being colonised, so our fate might be as Tibet’s: doomed to absorption and passing down the memory hole. The hour is late for the South…

  23. Weaver on 01 Aug 2008 at 3:43 am #

    Anyway, it’ll take several years to produce a resurgence, but with the internet I think we’ve got a chance. And there seem to be some very good people taking stands now. I’ll try to write something cultural shortly. That’d be great to renew the lost Southern traditions, even if only as an amateur. The info just needs to be organised, but it’s there waiting for us. The books haven’t been burned yet.

  24. Andrew T. on 01 Aug 2008 at 3:05 pm #

    Weaver,

    The way I see it, the first thing you could do to make the South prosper again is to get it weaned back off of the managerial love potion. It’s a Yankee one, at that!

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