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Looks like I’m the only one who’s posting these outrageous stories of spying, intimindation and coercion at the Gulag Archipelago a.k.a. the GOP National Convention. But post them I will people need to know what happened this week and how it prefaces the police state to come:
We were censored and pressured. Period! We have been followed and surrounded by security everywhere we go in MN. We got treated as children the entire time by NV GOP leadership. . We gave the NV GOP their 34 delegates.Nick Vanderpool (Delegate Organizer) earned our votes or I should say our absense of principles because he talked to us like an adult and not like a spoiled child stomping his feet. He has my respect and NV will not suffer the disfavor of the RNC overlords now. We may be able save our party with much work and talking outloud instead of secret whispers in back rooms.That is the last olive branch! If we (Freedom Minded Republicans) do not receive any respect starting tomorrow, they (Anyone but Freedom Minded Republicans) will all have a hard time doing anything politically in NV without us on their ass on every issue.
We have learned their game and their tactics. We have out-played them at every step of the way. But when the rules change on a moments notice then we can not play anymore. We must improvise! As we have. NV will have its day in the future. No one is giving up! This is a rigged game and we see that clearer the ever now!
We are still processing all the happenings of this week. We have a lot of intel on the corruption seeded at the national level.
Meeting with other state delegations gave us so much info on other tactics we have not seen yet in NV.
More to come…
Carl Bunce
roho on 04 Sep 2008 at 10:37 pm #
This is great stuff Patroon!…….Keep it comming.
Patroon on 04 Sep 2008 at 11:43 pm #
Here’s some more:
We just had a group shot of all the RP delegates and alternates, the secret service came and started searching everyone and took anything RP related. We got it on video thought…”
Today at the Republican Nationa Convention, as the Ron Paul Delegates were taking a picture in front of the model White House inside the Convention Center, they were surrounded by Secret Service which proceded to search the bags of all the delegates. They took any and everything related to Ron Paul including signs, buttons, videos, slim jims, cards, even books.
Alternate Delegate Dennis Rothacker from Florida said “We were done taking the picture when Secret Service started walking into the room and surrounded us. There were about 30 of them. When they searched my bags they took my Ron Paul sign and turned a deaf ear to my complains, they just walked away.”
Delegate Ron Warner from Fairbanks Alaska added that as he was walking into the convention center today with about 15 Revolution Manifesto books, 20 DVD’s for Delegates, 20 Ron Paul buttons and a handful of other things, we was stopped by security which called on an obviously important higher up, who directed all the materials to be confiscated. She told him, and I quote “You can’t bring that in here, this is Mc Cain territory”
Dennis, Ron and the other delegates report being openly followed by secret service. He says that they had been monitored from the begining of the convention, but that now they are being shadowed constantly.
There are also reports of delegates being approached by security and told that they will be sumarily thrown out if they leave their assigned chair.
19:07 PM St. Paul, MN
Boris in Miami
Patroon on 05 Sep 2008 at 2:44 am #
And some more from Ron Paul forums:
“Just spoke to a couple of my friends who are delegates from Virginia; they didn’t mention secret service but they did say things were being confiscated from RP people but not mcwar’s people and that they were being watched constantly. They said the whole thing was a sham coronation. No dissent of any kind allowed.
They are extremely upset at how they were treated.
BTW, these are a couple of very harmless, soft-spoken, mainstream-type women. It’s probably a good thing I wasn’t there; I don’t do well with this kind of harassment. I’d have certainly been hauled off in cuffs.”
Patroon on 05 Sep 2008 at 3:14 am #
Here’s a story from Daily Paul:
On September 4th, 2008 havaprayer says:
A woman who was an alternate from Pennsylvania told me that a couple of convention officials confronted her yesterday about some flags she had. One was the “Don’t Tread on Me” flag. Nothing to do with Ron Paul or anything anti-McCain. She was told that she had to hand over the flags to them. When she told them that she wanted to keep the flags, they told her she would need to be removed from the convention floor. She was escorted out and told that she could not return. So she roamed the streets of Minneapolis for five hours talking to folks on the street (including police officers) about what the independent-thought police were doing inside the convention center.
She said that the officials were not abusive but were determined to remove any signs or banners that were not approved by the RNC. She asked them about the supposedly home-made signs she saw all over the convention center, and they pretty much told her that the RNC made them look like they were home-made signs, but they made them and handed them out.
Have we traveled into a parallel universe? Passed through the looking glass? Moved to the Soviet Union?
I hope she reads this thread when she returns home so she can give her first hand account.
roho on 05 Sep 2008 at 12:34 pm #
This is wild, to say the least!….”Control” vs “Freedom” personified through the masters of “Democracy For All”….a nation that started it’s independence with a Boston Tea Party, now reduced to escorting little old ladies out of a Presidential Convention for not having the “Pre-Athorized” banner of choice.
As in Germany in the late thirties, how long before the “Black Shirts” of the NEOCONS turn on the “Brown Shirts” of the NEOCON movement? Did the “Anarchists” get hauled off to Gitmo, or are they still in the local jail?
Alice Lillie on 05 Sep 2008 at 2:46 pm #
No surprise here! And, of course the mainstream lapdog media didn’t show any of it, except a couple people being dragged during the palin and Mc Cain speeches!
It appeared on TV like one big happy family at Fatherland worship.
I wanted so much to be at the Paul event, to hear Rage Against the Machine (who did manage some songs over bullhorns despite illegal censorship (that’s redundant…all censorship is illegal), and to march in demos even tho I am not always on the same page as other protesters.
But inflation got in the way…
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Patroon on 05 Sep 2008 at 5:55 pm #
This from a Massachucetts delegate on Ron Paul Forms goes into great detail as to what happened:
Hello all,
First I’d like to thank all the supporters who came out to the caucuses across Massachusetts and especially in the eigth district (Boston) where we swept our caucuses. If every RP supporter across the nation had committed to this level, I think we could have had enough stealth RP delegates to get this nomination.
My story is here for all to judge. I’m just going to give the facts here. I think you can judge for yourself about how we handled this. There is a lot of speculation also, which I may post later after verified.
We came into town Monday night and were invited to a GOP reception which was followed by a RP reception across town. At the GOP reception we gathered near a replica of air force one along with many RP delegates from other states. We decided to start a Ron Paul chant while streaming out to ruffle some feathers. It worked .
We arrived at the RP reception with a plan hatched by Chris Blanc, who was quoted above and Todd Fay, who was Chris’s alternate. We got in the reception and listened to Dr. Paul. After the speech we had a supporter who was going to go along with the plan take the mic and announce a meeting outside the hall. Drew Ivers took the mic not long after this and started to announce that he wanted people to stick around and listen to him and Jesse Benton.
The purpose of our meeting in the courtyard was to plan to nominate RP for president, which the campaign had given up on for a long time. We understood the rules of the roll call vote, which stated that RP could not be nominated or placed on the ballot of choices for the roll call vote for all states without the support of the majority of five delegations. We identified the ten smallest delegations and assigned delegates from across the country to approach delegates from these delegations with petitions for placing RP on the ballot. This was understood to be a Hail Mary, but we were not going to give up. We went nuts on the floor on Tuesday trying to get these petitions signed.
The people from the WA delegation were actually able to get the support of the majority of the virgin islands delegation, but our luck stopped there.
We were not able to get RP placed on the ballot for all states. Some states were legally required to report the votes of RP supporters who were legally bound to RP, but most states were not. In Massachusetts, most of us were bound by state law to McCain. We were only given the option of McCain or abstain.
When asked about my vote by my party chairman, I was given the option of McCain or abstain. Knowing there would be legal issues, I told him I was to abstain. Every Ron Paul delegate from Massachusetts initially voted to abstain. This started a shitstorm on the floor behind the wolf blitzer tent. We told them we wanted RP to speak on and have full floor access which he had been denied by the convention. They called in a Rep from the McCain campaign who told us that we could make a deal. If we got all the delegates for RP from all states united to vote for McCain, we could potentially have recognition for RP from the stage (maybe not RP but perhaps a grassroots supporter). We called as many delegates from other states to meet, and we decided not to take the deal. The reason for this was that we were unable to contact anyone from the campaign to advise us or to tell us that RP was willing to speak. No one answered their phones… I personally told everyone that we had to make the decision without the campaign (since I don’t trust them anyway), but this was not the majority opinion.
During the meeting we were surrounded by a massive goon squad with ear pieces listening and typing everything we said. We had the sergeant at arms harassing our people trying to steal our list of RP delegates from all states. We had interns surrounding us with fake homemade signs to hide us from the media. We broke the meeting with the resolution to negotiate on the state level.
I can’t speak for what happened in other states, but I do not expect anyone was given tickets to the rage concert… Many people had tickets already and wanted to go instead of being on the floor or anywhere near the propaganda festival.
For our state, we worked out a deal which was by no means unanimous. There was much dissent, but I think most of the people who did not agree are now realizing that we did the best we could do. Most of us gave our votes to alternates rather than abstaining.
Now for my interpretation:
To us, eight abstentions which would likely not have been reported was of less value than cooperation with the party in helping to get a meetup director on the State Committee, getting RP supporters on town commitees and formally welcoming us into the party. This puts us in a position to elect more RP supporters to the state committee for the upcoming election cycle, and if we fully activate all our supporters in the state we can own this committee, period. In the next presidential elections, Massachusetts can have 100% delegates for Ron Paul or a similar candidate without a doubt in my mind. Had we not made this deal, the party would have likely opposed us illegally every step of the way. We have an agreement in writing from our state party granting us several things that have already and will bring us much closer to our goals in Massachusetts. To get this, we worked with people in the party who supported Pat Buchanan in prior presidential runs, and a man on the national platform committee who struck a clause in support of the North American Union on our insistence. These party people are extremely happy. I believe they’re happy not because of the unanimous vote as much as the prospect of having us in the party in the future.
Other delegates have voiced their approval of this deal, having achieved nothing in their states except getting totally ostracized. You can decide what you think for yourself though.
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