October
27th 2008
Posted under Chuck Baldwin & Conservatism & Constitution Party
The American Conservative endorsement issue is here. I have to say, I am a little disappointed. Multiple endorsements and only two for Baldwin, Joe Sobran and Peter Brimelow. That is two biggies, but he should have gotten more.
I will have more to say later. Just wanted to get this up.
Weaver on 27 Oct 2008 at 9:17 pm #
Francis Fukuyama writes for AmCon Mag?! He’s a major post-neocon thinker.
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That’s disappointing – Sailer, Dreher, and McCarthy should have gone Baldwin.
Weaver on 27 Oct 2008 at 9:20 pm #
Btw, has anyone read Fukuyama’s [i]The End of History[/i]? There is nothing further left wing than Fukuyama haha.
What did he later decide would prevent the “End of History”? Why, genetic engineering.
BMWRider on 27 Oct 2008 at 9:34 pm #
I just finished reading it, and found the whole mess a let down. I understood the arguments for Barr or withholding your vote, but there were more Obama and McCain endorsements than I would expect from a traditionally conservative publication. I did enjoy the Paul/Goldwater endorsement.
RedPhillips on 27 Oct 2008 at 9:51 pm #
Not all these people are conservatives. Some are just somehow anti-war or anti-neocon.
RedPhillips on 27 Oct 2008 at 9:57 pm #
“Sailer, Dreher, and McCarthy should have gone Baldwin.”
Agreed.
I get the McCarthy objection about working within the two big box parties, I really do. But that is big picture. The election is here and now. A snap shot. The germane question is not long term strategy but who to vote for in one instance in time. Why not vote third party now, since both major party candidates are dudes, and work within the parties in the primaries?
Not Surprised on 27 Oct 2008 at 10:18 pm #
Scott McConnell has returned to his leftist roots… now only in agreement with paleos on the Israel lobby, slowly turning the magazine into a liberal publication.
T. Chan on 28 Oct 2008 at 12:16 am #
I was puzzled by Mr. Rockwell’s piece–does he really think that the politicians really care about having a mandate? They may use it for rhetorical purposes, but I would think that most are beyond the high school politics of winning a popularity contest, and making sure they are liked by the most people possible. Surely if dissatisfied voters wanted to send a message, there is a more effective way to do it?
RonL on 28 Oct 2008 at 12:43 am #
Barack Hussein Obama Jr. is the most leftist Democrat in 2 generations, if not all of American history. I cannot conceive of a logical reason for a “conservative” to vote for BHO even after reading this sorry lot.
The most liberal senator, to the left of the Socialist Bernie Sanders, is not running alone. He is running along with a liberal Democrat House and Senate. Voting for him will be read as an endorsement of leftism.
The desire to see the Democrats burn once elected is a silver lining. Yet I remind you that Mercury, the poisonous harbinger of insanity is also silver looking (quicksilver is liquid mercury).
For the crowd that yearns for hasty defeat of America, let me remind you that you would be voting for socialist social and economic policies.
For those who look at the economic and political environment and say that the left will fail, I would remind you that they will change the rules.
They will move to create a permanent liberal-left majority.
They will legalize illegal aliens, give them welfare, and
hasten their citizenship. As seen with ACORN and the disenfranchisement of soldiers in Virginia, Chicago-style politics will become the national norm. Obama has called for a leftist-controlled civilain sercurity corps twice the size of the military, the “Civilian National Security Force”. He wants to make national service, after proper indoctrination, the norm.
As much as I despise McCain, at least he would guarantee gridlock. But if you cannot vote for him, vote for Baldwin or Barr so your right of center protest counts. Write-in and non-voting are both virtual endorsements of Obama-Alinsky agenda as far as the media will be concerned. And don’t forget the standard respose for a losing party is to move to the center as defined by the media. So if you are protesting the leftward tilt of the GOP by sitting on your behind or voting Obama, you are telling the GOP to move left.
Weaver on 28 Oct 2008 at 3:59 am #
McCain would guarantee gridlock how?
McAmnesty is just another type of leftist – he’d be falling over himself to pass “bipartisan” bills which would be blamed on “conservatives”.
Is this meant to say Baldwin is to the left of McCain somehow?
Weaver on 28 Oct 2008 at 4:03 am #
Ron, is this meant as a joke? You’re using scare tactics which won’t work on folks here…
Now, compare this side by side with how a McCain administration might be. Hmm, there are no differences…
RonL on 28 Oct 2008 at 4:13 am #
Weaver,
McCain would try to play ball with the Democrats. However, I suspect that the Democrats would not work with him on issues where they feel that they could get more by not working with him. They would sabotage any immigration deal to create a fight among Republicans. At the same time they will make more extravagant promises to immigrant groups.
Of course, if the Democrats get 60 Senators, the equation changes.
Still, if Obama wins, one of the results will be a call for Republicans to get more minority votes, at all costs. (To be honest the anti-nationalists will pursue this claim regardless of the outcome.)
I am hardly calling Baldwin a person to the left of McCain. I am saying that he is a solid protest candidate, but we would be foolish to think of him as anything else. Our national election system is set up for 2 parties.
I live in NYC, so my vote is irrelevant. As such, I may vote for Barr-Root, largely because both have helped out at Columbia. Had Bob Smith won the Constitution Party nomination, i would have voted for him.
RonL on 28 Oct 2008 at 4:30 am #
I am not trying to scare people with deceitful agitprop. I am seriously frightened about what Obama would do if he is elected and the Democrats pick up 9 or 10 seats in the Senate.
McCain is certainly horrible on immigration. However, he takes voter fraud seriously, if only for survival purposes.
Obama is a follower of Saul Alinsky and has been allied to ACORN since he graduated from Columbia. (And we still don’t know what he did back when he was a student. ACORN is a serious force in NYC recruiting organizers at colleges.)
I don’t recall McCain ever saying anything as scary as
“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/07/obamas_civilian_national_secur.html
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=305420655186700
Chinese Conservative on 28 Oct 2008 at 4:40 am #
Why didn’t they have Justin Raimondo, Pat Buchanan, or Taki?!
roho on 28 Oct 2008 at 1:56 pm #
The absolute “One Thing” that both the Dems and GOP are in complete agreement on is that a “Third Party Shall NEVER Exist”!
BALDWIN 2008!
RedPhillips on 28 Oct 2008 at 2:22 pm #
Ron, the conservatives in the paleo/anti-war orbit who vote for Obama are almost all doing it because they fear McCain’s foreign policy. I don’t agree, but I get it. Those who are voting for Obama because they hope to usher in left-wing chaos and incite a rightward reaction are seriously playing with fire.
Voting third party seems so simple to me, I really don’t get all the hand-wringing. As the two-party apologist are so quick to point out, it deprives McCain of a vote, but does so without voting for Obama the Social Democrat.
I don’t believe the doomsday scenarios regarding Obama. I think he will govern primarily as a moderate. This is more dangerous than him governing as a radical. The boiling a frog analogy. I am afraid he WON’T incite a reaction.
Weaver on 28 Oct 2008 at 3:04 pm #
Ron,
McCain wants the same thing.
He’s called for a similar military and civil service for years.
Weaver on 28 Oct 2008 at 3:15 pm #
More recently:
McCain, Obama find common ground on national service
ServiceNation Presidential Candidates Forum Transcript McCain/Obama
No Draft, No Way. But, How About Some Help?
McCain is better… how?
It should be fun to see if you can come up with a single reason other than the abortion excuse (as if “former pro-choice” McCain would overturn Roe…) :p
Weaver on 28 Oct 2008 at 6:15 pm #
Trifkovic wrote this about McCain:
Patroon on 28 Oct 2008 at 6:35 pm #
As opposed to the “free market” polices of bank bailouts, farm subsides, bank nationalization and prescription drug benefits offerd to us by McCain, Bush II and the Republican Party RonL?
I’m no expert but I really do not know how you can beat socialism with socialism. I don’t think it can be done.
roho on 28 Oct 2008 at 10:50 pm #
Red………….Your a wise old man like myself, and realise that we survived LBJ, whom I would support digging him up and burning like Oliver Cromwell!……..So much for my emotional outpouring.
Obama & McCain are birds of a feather inorder to make the “CITIZEN” feel like he actually has a democracy. AIPAC, and all of the other “Puppet Masters” love watching the voting citizen hoop and holler as if they were at a pro wrestling match…………Ha-Ha……BUT!
How does a true conservative reward a “TRAITOR” that dissed the conservative caucus, dragged Joe Lieberman around with him on the campaign trail, and thinks that LaRaza is his constituency?…..Nothing has changed:
THE GOP STILL BELIEVES THAT THEY CAN FUNCTION BY SIMPLY TELLING CONSERVATIVES “But what if Hillary/Obama/Kerry/Dukakis get’s elected!”(In the mean time athiest neocons butcher babies and bomb the world into oblivion for their masters!)…..But promiss to do better?
We will survive Oboma but Obama will NOT survive the “Puppet Masters”…………And 4 years later we will vote again with a new GOP leadership.(Which will use “What IF Tactics” again!)
AMERICA has to recognise that THE 2 PARTY SYSTEM IS TAINTED!…….To do this, the internet MUST SURVIVE as the “Walter Cronkite” generation passes away.(I’m 55 and part of the Cronkite generation.)
We have to feed the NEXT Generation the correct History!!!!
Frank Griglonis on 29 Oct 2008 at 4:01 am #
nothing new here…but having been through the grist
mill of academia, government, and sundry conservative
organizations…i had come to admire dr. paul’s moral
character and intellectual qualities and dr. baldwin’s commitment to national heritage and history…(and i have already written in chuck balwin
in the president column on my PA absentee ballot)…
i liked this article posted yesterday by another sarah:
Chuck Baldwin & Ron Paul are Write-In Candidates in California
The only way Baldwin himself can receive any votes in that state and have those votes counted is as an official write-in candidate. Had he not obtained write-in status, voters who supported Paul but are willing to vote for Baldwin were he on the ballot, would have been completely out of luck, along with those AIP members who might prefer to vote for Baldwin rather than…….
http://www.newswithviews.com/BreakingNews/breaking161.htm
by NWV News