October
31st 2008
Posted under Site Issues & The South
It is in Chattanooga, TN. It runs tomorrow 31 Oct through Sat 1 Nov. Fellow CHT blogger HarrisonB will be speaking there. I am looking forward to hearing Michael Peroutka speak. He is always entertaining. I will let you know how it goes.
Patroon on 31 Oct 2008 at 5:51 pm #
I know y’all will have a good time because nothing that happens next Tuesday will really matter for the LOS and its goals and may very well become an opportunity.
However, if Obama’s victory does include several Southern states like Virginia and North Carolina and Florida, LOS have to take a good hard look at the map of the old Confederacy and say to themselves, what areas are left that still maintain its Southern character and how can we turn such areas into “liberated zones” away from the broader American culture? You certainly can’t say that Northern Virgina, Southern Florida, Southern Texas, or parts of North Carolina are really “Southern” anymore. In fact, ironic as it may seem, eastern Tennessee, which was pro-Union during the War Between the States, is more closer to Southern culture than other parts of the South are.
Once you find those areas, those forgotten places that exist in many places across the country (Southwest Virginia for example) then you can focus on them to create a secession of the mind) hopefully greatly aided by the Obama Administration) which will then lead to political secession (The upland areas of the Carolinas, Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky and southwest Virginia for example). This election has gone a long way to establishing the Scots-Irish voting bloc as a separate identity. If one is willing to establish common cause with the mountain people of Appalacia, who were not all that enthusiastic about the plantation owner’s Confederacy, you may accomplish your goals easier than to try and recreate something that may not be possible to do anymore.
Weaver on 31 Oct 2008 at 9:54 pm #
LOS already knows where to find Southrons: the Celtic belt.
EDIT: oh wait – I didn’t read your final paragraph I guess?
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Btw, the flag is popular in Montana even I hear. The map has changed indeed.
fellist on 01 Nov 2008 at 11:22 am #
There’s a new article up at amcon that may interest you all (or y’all):
http://www.amconmag.com/article/2008/nov/03/00019/
Untied States: If at first you don’t secede… By John Schwenkler
It discusses the Jefferson secessionists from the story Patroon linked to on your “secession of the mind” post as well as Southron nationalists.
Chinese Conservative on 01 Nov 2008 at 6:19 pm #
Have they endorsed Chuck Baldwin yet?
Daniel Maxwell on 01 Nov 2008 at 9:35 pm #
#1
I dunno. Virginia and North Carolina will be still beSouthern even if they do go Obama, I think alot of people in those states are just leery of what is perceived to be a third Bush term. In Virginia’s case, what has ruined it in my eyes has been the outgrowth of the DC metro area. I would not (yet) take it is a sign of things to come. However, I suspect all of Florida – save the panhandle – is long gone, just like Maryland and Delaware before it.
roho on 01 Nov 2008 at 10:49 pm #
Have a great convention Red!……………Only 2 hours away, I intended to do a “Day Trip” when the “Bourgeoisie” told the “Proletariat” that working this weekend was not an option!………Ha-Ha…..(Or at least not for us!)……….If we draw the NEW LINES of the “South”, we may ask, “Is there ANY General that would like to burn Atlanta?”
Seccesionist may find strange bedfellows with not only the Liberals of Vermont but the “Great Northwest” as well?………..Watching “Californication” from the North, has caused some of them to re-think this twisted and swelled beaurocracy?
Daniel Maxwell on 01 Nov 2008 at 11:24 pm #
Ah but you see roho, I lived for a time in Vermont, and I can say it is one of the most delightful places I have been. I lived for a year in the small town of Bennington. I remember one day I was awakened by a town parade, commemorating the battle of Bennington, during the Revolution. Most of the town was out to see it. I watched the parade from my window – and it was wonderful. Like something you’d see in a 1950s TV show about a ‘small town’.
I became convinced Vermont liberals are different. Rural, gun loving, and they like their smallness. Certainly, a Southerner would have no qualms with such desires.
Patrick Hall on 02 Nov 2008 at 5:15 am #
As the only pro-Hispanic Southerner (maybe it has to do with my bigoted Catholicism, and my attachment to the historical Old South of my ancestors, not the New South, with which I had no childhood experience, having grown up the son of Western North Carolina Highlanders in the Rhineland), I would like to remind everyone that the Hispanics have more in common with Southerners than the Yankee Calvinists, and their fellow-travelers in the South. Oh, that’s right: the South is now DEFINED as being what New England once was: Puritan, Baptist, and Republican.
My point? Each and every Southerner needs to take a good, long, hard look at himself, and ask “what’s more important, recent (post-Reconstruction) tradition, or earlier (antebellum) tradition?”
The Tejano population of Texas, as well as Mexico itself, was pro-Confederacy, because it opposed the Calvinist Yankeedom. Southerners need to come to realize that, for example, the reason Jack Daniel’s Bourbon Whiskey is illegal in the very same county in which it is made, is because of Yankee, Calvinist influence.
Weaver on 02 Nov 2008 at 8:07 am #
Patrick Hall,
you might well be the only pro-Hispanic Southerner in existence.
roho on 02 Nov 2008 at 9:53 pm #
“Pro-Hispanic Southerner”?………….We have a peculier custom in the South called “Knock before you enter”. (Immigration)….But welcome to CHT.
Daniel………………I have to admit that if I had to choose one cheese for the rest of my life, it would be “Vermont White XXX Sharp Cheddar”!…..I’m addicted to it………But had no idea that Vermonters loved their guns? (Smallness is a beautiful thing.)….If they get their independence first, I will move and buy a warm coat.
fellist on 03 Nov 2008 at 4:23 am #
“Hispanics have more in common with Southerners than the Yankee Calvinists” … “what’s more important, recent (post-Reconstruction) tradition, or earlier (antebellum) tradition?”
So, if “Hispanics” have more in common with Southerners, it matters not, right – being a recent cultural trend?
I think you make a time-frame everything Patrick Hall, when race, ethnicity, culture, and every higher ideal all make mincemeat of arbitrary time frames.
Weaver on 04 Nov 2008 at 3:56 am #
Fellist,
Hispanics really don’t have more in common with Southerners. Hispanics being better traditionalists (relative to other Americans) is a media myth unfounded in reality.
Patrick Hall is Catholic and identifying with Latin Catholics, though the Latin hybrid religion sometimes calls into question whether its Christian or pagan (Aztec).
I’m… mostly a Calvinist, though I like a lot of what the Catholics preach, which is to be expected since I’m not a capitalist and am a traditionalist. Someday I’ll sort out the contradictions.
Weaver on 04 Nov 2008 at 3:58 am #
Dabney and Thornwell were both Southern Presbyterians and thus Calvinists btw. The South has its own Presbyterian tradition which didn’t go the way of the Northern Presbyterians and Congregationalists.
Patrick Hall on 04 Nov 2008 at 3:52 pm #
“Hispanics being better traditionalists (relative to other Americans) is a media myth unfounded in reality.”
Partially wrong.
Americanized Puerto Ricans, Black Dominicans, Cubans, etc. all are notably less concerned with traditional family than the other large Hispanic population in America, the Mexicans.
For example, the abortion rate among Mexicans in America is something less than 8%. The abortion rate for the Commonwealth of Kentucky is 6%. The abortion rates for New Hampshire and Vermont are something close to 20%.
Weaver on 06 Nov 2008 at 12:53 pm #
That’s an interesting argument. I’ll have to read more about this – I’d never thought to compare abortion rates.