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Well the White Nats have done it. Because of their obsessive thread hijacking, comments are no longer allowed at TakiMag. I don’t know for certain that is the reason, but it almost certainly is.
This is unfortunate. TakiMag had become the hottest site for paleocons. Without comments, site views will drop. Hopefully they will re-allow comments at a future time after they have figured out how to weed out the White Nats.
I don’t think White Nats should be censored based on the content of their thought. We don’t do that here. But they definitely were violating the rule against hobby horse ridding. They would hijack every thread regardless of the subject, and turn it into a diatribe on why White Nationalism is superior to paleoconservatism. It just got very old.
Richard Spencer on 23 Dec 2008 at 9:54 pm #
Well, I guess it’s kinda ironic that I’m leaving a comment (since I just banned them all at my site), but, yes, you’re right, the White Nats were the reason. Hopefully, we’ll be able to have good discussions of articles on The Sniper’s Tower.
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Frank on 23 Dec 2008 at 10:26 pm #
That’s a shame. I hadn’t been to the site in over a month, so I dunno what’s been going on recently (just now catching up with all of the paleo sites.) Even where I agreed with the posters, I’d get furious at how they’d obsess about one issue and deride writers and posters in general.
The nuts from VNN treated it like a hostile invasion. They purposely abused the Commons.
Dylan Hales on 23 Dec 2008 at 10:45 pm #
Sad that it was necessary but it was. The unfortunate part is that there is really no central locale for paleos/libertarians/populist righties to go now and and hash out their differences in a respectable, sane fashion.
Filmer on 23 Dec 2008 at 11:38 pm #
Does anyone know who Captainchaos is?
Bede on 24 Dec 2008 at 12:43 am #
A balance needs to be found between the race-doesn’t-exist neocons/neoliberals and the disruptive white nationalists who can only talk about race. Sam Francis, from what I’ve read, offered such a balance.
RonL on 24 Dec 2008 at 12:55 am #
I may bear some responsibility, since I tried to refute the neonazis. I was feeding the trolls.
Mea Culpa
roho on 24 Dec 2008 at 2:05 am #
Academia Discussions in the arena of Political Correctness, has become a bit impotent in view of the fact that “Freedom Of Speech” has become a thing of the past in Germany, and parts of Europe.
Banning people from the site in the form of NO COMMENT seems close minded?…………Our future of “Identity Politics” is a reality, and it just seems odd that they felt overwhelmed by comenters?
It will be intresting to see how this plays out?
roho on 24 Dec 2008 at 2:09 am #
But, I was not a daily reader of TAKI, and may have overlooked the extremeness of coments?
Dylan Hales on 24 Dec 2008 at 6:28 am #
The problem wasn’t so much the “extremeness” as it was the never ending stream of thread hijacking by the White Nats. It got to the point where virtually every article was filled with comments relating to the “White Man” and his need to restore himself by any means necessary (which toward the end led to increasing calls for “socialism” and forced deportation of already naturalized citizens that weren’t White). It didn’t matter what the subject was and I think Taki rightfully was concerned about how that would make the site look and how it would read by outsiders.
I’m not reflexively opposed to white nationalism (or black nationalism for that matter), but if one is not a white nationalist, one may not want their property to be a playground from the some of the most “dedicated” proponents of that cause.
Andrew T. on 24 Dec 2008 at 6:29 am #
I used to read TakiMag sometimes, but not anymore. The sheer insanity of the comments didn’t make it any easier for me.
The focus on current events doesn’t hold my attention. I’ve graduated to First Principles Journal.
Maciano on 24 Dec 2008 at 10:52 am #
@Richard Spencer
It’s too bad that we can’t comment anymore. I really like Taki’s. It’s a bit of a ‘safe house’ for me
OTOH, I can’t blame you guys for putting an end to it. I found it remarkable that it went on as long as it did, to be honest myself. Sad though that it happened though.
Ah well.. All good things come to an end, as they say. Good luck with the website. It’s a good project.
PS Merry Christmas to all
Filmer on 24 Dec 2008 at 2:15 pm #
“The problem wasn’t so much the “extremeness” as it was the never ending stream of thread hijacking by the White Nats. It got to the point where virtually every article was filled with comments relating to the “White Man” and his need to restore himself by any means necessary”
Yes. That is exactly what I was going to say.
Captainchaos needs a blanket party, which is what happens when one person ruins it for everybody.
Andrew, was that you at Secular Conservative?
Bede on 24 Dec 2008 at 2:16 pm #
BTW, I asked around about CaptainChaos and I don’t think anyone knows who he is.
Daniel on 24 Dec 2008 at 2:33 pm #
richey,
“my site”…. hmmmm…. without “White Nats” there is NO “paleo” movement….
Daniel on 24 Dec 2008 at 2:45 pm #
…. as a White R-A-C-I-A-L-I-S-T, to call the few – and yes, it was few – not a very active board, sorry -actually, absent the WNs, not much of interest – i disgress…. to call the few WNs extreme is, well, rather, pathetic – I found it quite tame…. Unfortunately, Taki, while no doubt, a fine man, found it more useful to use the space as a vehicle to relay trivial tidbits…. Obviously, takimag, with its editor’s predispostion to all things harmlessly useless (how else could one define its brand of paulsian libertarianism) is more than willing to show up to the fight, unarmed….
Frank on 24 Dec 2008 at 3:17 pm #
Daniel,
I doubt it was “extremism” but behavior that was the issue.
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Filmer on 24 Dec 2008 at 5:26 pm #
Daniel, give me a break. CC was hijacking every thread regardless of topic. That was the problem. I objected to Sid Cundiff’s obsessive “purge the Browns” and “race does not exist” hobby horse ridding as well.
Andrew T. on 25 Dec 2008 at 6:21 pm #
Filmer,
I’ve never even heard of that website.
Captainchaos on 28 Dec 2008 at 10:16 am #
Richard Spencer: “…but, yes, you’re right, the White Nats were the reason.”
Who, me? Oh, I would never. LOL!
Hey Spencer, I openly challenged you and Gottfried to debate me on several occasions. Why didn’t you? I think you know why: because I would have handed you your asses; just like I did with all the other self-hating “white” lemmings.
I hear you went to Yale, Richy boy. LOL! Didn’t do ya much good, did it? I’m a freakin’ manual laborer and my IQ is higher than yours (low 130′s – read ‘em and weep, half-wit).
Just what do you have against White Nationalism anyway? Oh, yeah, that’s right, you faileocons are a false opposition that drains off real struggle for our people into impotence. You are in it for the money, and to help Gottfried protect the Chosen, of course.
White Nationalism is here to stay, deal with it!
Captainchaos on 28 Dec 2008 at 11:13 pm #
Further, you faileocons are all about culture, but the mere mention of race sends you into a tizzy. What of culture? What’s it to be? Just cart out all the the old masterpieces to be placed on the stage as set pieces in a kind of theme park of what once was of Western Civilization? No new masterpieces? No renewed imperative, imposed top-down, for the complete rejuvenation, racial and spiritual, of European Man? LOL!
That’s just it: you guys aren’t really serious about anything. You are, essentially, consumers of “high-brow” (really middle-brow, at best – LOL!) junk food. You refuse to ask: how will this happen? And if the struggle will take too much, cost too much, your knees buckle. There is no sense of destiny, no sense of responsibility, no willingness to place on your shoulders the sheer weight of the burden of forgoing the racial and cultural annihilation of the White race.
You think I’m being grandiose? Well, fair enough, if you are willing to concede that you are being decadent, frivolous and unmanly.
See y’all at the end game.
Sean Scallon on 29 Dec 2008 at 6:32 pm #
I agree there was a lot of thread capture by the nationalists over at Takimag. I disagree however in shutting down the comments section however. There really is no point to the internet if we’re not willing to allow people to present their views (within reason of course) in a comments sections. That’s why they exist, to encourage debate but also to drive traffic because such a site encourages the free expression. You may not like what they say but so long as they it without being self-destructive that’s fine by me. I also have the right to ignore them as well. That’s what you do to a disruptive poster. Ignore them.
Filmer on 30 Dec 2008 at 8:12 pm #
Captain, you are not off to a good start. See my comment on the Valkyrie thread.
How is it helpful for you to come over here swinging? The Linderesq “faileocon” for example.
You know what the paleocon objections are. If you don’t you are dense.
Nationalism is a post French Revolution ideological construct and hence a form of liberalism. Do you really expect Confederates to be sympathetic to nationalism?
And racial reductionism is the ideological flip-side of PC anti-racism. It’s all about race reductionism is no better than nothing can ever be about race if you are White PCism.
Kevin Riley O'Keeffe on 30 Dec 2008 at 8:18 pm #
I’m more-or-less a White Nationalist myself (albeit not one who is hostile to paleoconservatism), and have been posting publicly on Taki Mag since the first week it appeared on the net. You couldn’t deduce the fact I was, as I like to characterize it, “pro-White,” in nineteen out of twenty of my posts, however, because I understood that if Taki Mag was to be a valuable resource, having it appear to be a haven for sociopathic Hitler fetishists (or even for decent people unfairly mischaracterized as such, for having views just a little too far outside the mainstream), would not be conducive to its success. The overwhelming majority of my posts were thus framed to belong within a paleocon millieu.
Alas, organized White Nationalism (and it is my understanding that much of the WN activity on the Taki Mag comments section was part of a concerted effort that began on the Vanguard News Network Forum, which is the place that people who are banned from StormFront are sent to wail and gnash their teeth; “you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy”) seems to attract a particular sort of person who tends not to care about, well, much of anything, other than declaring that anyone a single iota to the “left” (for lack of a better term) of their position is a “race traitor.” While it may be a good thing for the future of White Nationalism that it, unlike most fringe political movements, can still attract people from the strata of intellectual potential and educational attainment which the majority of the American people seem actually to reside (although its always very depressing to witness at what a Stygian depth that strata exists), its a terrible shame these 100-percent-White-Nationalist! knuckleheads had to make their presence felt in such a pervasively obnoxious manner as to render the commenting section a thing of the past. Hopefully, it will return in the future. Perhaps some sort of ISP banning regime might be applied to the commenting section in the future, thus enabling one to prevent previously tagged undesirables (of whatever stripe) from being able to post at all.
Captainchaos on 31 Dec 2008 at 4:28 am #
Filmer: “Nationalism is a post French Revolution ideological construct and hence a form of liberalism.”
Dogs were bred from wolves and are hence a form of wolf. Gee, that’s deep. So what? How about this: I don’t like dogs (nationalism), because they were bred from wolves, (the French Revolution), which I dislike, and hence they are a form of wolf (liberalism), and I dislike wolves. It’s all so, I don’t know, circular? I know now what you dislike, but do you know if your likes and dislikes are good for you? I don’t believe you do, but I do.
Just what do you suppose the Revolutionary War was fought for?
Could it be for the self-rule of a people who thought of themselves as a people due to their homogeneity of ancestry and culture? I’d say so, and safely. I suppose the objection will be raised that, no, it was not a nation, but a confederation of states. Well, just what is a “state” but a small “nation”, part of a confederation or no; no?
You see…the rubber must meet the road somewhere.
“If you don’t you are dense.”
I am far from “dense”, see above to allay your doubts.
“Do you really expect Confederates to be sympathetic to nationalism?”
A people – self-perceived and in fact – fighting for the their self-determination over a given territory. Mmmm, a rose by any other name…
“And racial reductionism is the ideological flip-side of PC anti-racism.”
More self-referencing verbiage without any concrete evidence to break the loop. What do the IQ tests say, what do the DNA tests say, what does people behavior (e.g., White-flight) say; they say, “That is ballgame.”
“It’s all about race reductionism is no better than nothing can ever be about race if you are White PCism.”
As I said, I know now what you like and dislike; but what is it best for you to like; what is it in your interest to like; and even if you cannot force yourself to like it what will, objectively, guarantee more of your interests than not?
White Nationalism.
Kevin Riley O’Keeffe: “You couldn’t deduce the fact I was, as I like to characterize it, “pro-White,” in nineteen out of twenty of my posts,”
You couldn’t deduce the fact that I wanted to live, whilst being strangled, because I struggled only once, when I could have struggled nineteen more times…he clucks his tongue.
Whaaaat?!
Did you want to say that your people should live or not? If so, was it good or bad, in your estimation, that you couldn’t? Will our people ever unite and stand for their survival if they are so continuously gagged? Is our survival good? If so, is what keeps us from it bad? Does being gagged keep us form our survival?
My Holy God of Logic, what has the world come to?
“…sociopathic Hitler fetishists…”
If you’s tess me boss, I’s believe.
I hope a little vigorous retort on my part will not be construed as impertinence. I’ve turned over a new leaf; I swear.
ERIC on 31 Dec 2008 at 6:44 pm #
Been away for awhile and missed a good discussion.
The farthest right you can get is white nationalism and with the country drifting left at a fast pace I suggest Paleos should start embracing white nationalists.
Unite or fall; your choice.
White nationalists, Christian identists, White evangelicals, Paleos…… We are all on the same page with minor differences….. Well except some soft/fake Paleos.
ERIC on 31 Dec 2008 at 6:52 pm #
Correction, the farthest right are white nationalists AND christian identists.
ERIC on 31 Dec 2008 at 7:28 pm #
Hard paleos = soft whie nationalists.
Hard white evangelicals = soft christian identists.
Soft paleos reject white nationalists and christian identists.
Captainchaos on 31 Dec 2008 at 8:24 pm #
Eric,
All I ever wanted was a spot at table for our (White Nationalists’) view point. Also, and consistent with above, I wanted those who would only deign to acknowledge the existence of me – as a more than able advocate for White Nationalism – whilst accusing me of being a fed troll from the SPLC (LOL!), to, you know, have some respect for a White man with all the brains that an Ivy League education can’t necessarily buy, and discuss the merits and demerits of explicitly racialism.
“Oh no, I can’t. My career, my career.”
LOL! Then stop attending Amren conferences!
I’m here to let all of you know -and it is only that I am so very adept at pointing it out that I am so demonized – that THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES!
But I thought Nietzsche was unashamed to stand naked in front of a god…
Oh never mind.
P.S. Being able to regurgitate the litany is a very different animal as distinguished from understanding what the litany means and being able to think with any rigor generally (which talent can also be applied to thinking about the litany – as well as other matters). IOW, if you could think for yourselves you wouldn’t need others (gee, guess who that might be?) to tell you what to think.
That may sound harsh, you may resent me for saying it and brand be a prick, but that is the truth as I see it and in fact the truth as such.
Ivan on 01 Jan 2009 at 5:38 am #
I guess a question that would please the Captain:
“What would you do if the King of America was Black?”
Quite frankly, it would sicken me. As a matter of fact, to those that think of the President of the United States as King of America (aka “Leader of the Free World”) are sure to be sick – much of my family among them since the election of Barry O’Bama.
However, it seems that most conservatives think of the President as nothing more than the compromises of 50+% of the population, which is closer to reality than “King of America” or “Leader of the Free World”. Of course, when someone who advertises themselves as a “conservative” wins the election, large portions of self-identified conservatives reverse course, but they never quite threaten to leave, like the liberals. Which tells me they’re a little more tuned into reality than the the liberals, who are more prone towards, erm, theatrics and hysteria.
In the end, Captain, the problem is: there is no “White Nation” of America, and the only way to go about building one is by the use of force to combine Southerner with Northerner. That’s been done already, by one Abraham Lincoln. There’s good reason the Leftist American brigade to fight on the side of the Republicans during the Spanish Civil War chose Abraham Lincoln as their totem.
Weaver on 01 Jan 2009 at 3:26 pm #
Ivan,
that tells me that “liberals” might be more committed to their principles, while conservatives are without a guiding moral center or clear future objective, but rather only seeking for a moderate compromise.
I’m sure poli sci books still teach that “conservative” is simply one who wants slower change than a “liberal”, though both seek change towards the same goal.
America might start changing course when more right wing activists discover what they want, then take stands and seek it.
Captainchaos on 01 Jan 2009 at 7:07 pm #
Ivan: “In the end, Captain, the problem is: there is no “White Nation” of America,”
There are around 200 million Whites on the North American continent (including White Canadians – the American census data includes individuals as Whites who actually are not). Grist?
“…and the only way to go about building one is by the use of force to combine Southerner with Northerner.”
Grist. Had Lincoln not been assassinated I don’t think it unreasonable to think he would have found a way to repatriate the Black slaves of the South.
Concerning contemporary America: I don’t think it an exaggeration to say that most Whites have an identity as generically White, at best, if at all. So assiduously has any sense of identity been drilled out of them and so dutifully have they acquiesced in having this done to them that the situation is as I’ve described. Even contemporary Southerners are enthusiastic supporters of the country/system as it, essentially, stands. They are “patriotic” “conservatives”. Where is this Southern nationalist impulse you adumbrate? If there, why any support for the larger nation at all?
A renewed “White America” is not really the be all and end all for me. What is, is, the survival of the White race and the recapturing of what the White man once called his. If that means America fractures into several “White” nations, then so be it – speed the day. It does not matter to me that it is kept under one imperial power center; so long as it’s kept in the family.
Weaver: “America might start changing course when more right wing activists discover what they want, then take stands and seek it.”
I think the best approach for the timid (“conservatives”) is to work towards secession. Of course the bold approach would be to organize under an explicitly racial identity driven by the iron-hard conviction that we would take back all that our race had gained, and are now losing; that or die trying. So, if you are of the former stripe, work towards the secession of your region – dealing a death blow to anti-White genocidalist regime in Washington – and tell yourself whatever it is that makes you comfortable while you do it (but know, if you are successful, and the engine of race-replacment immigration starts afresh in your new nation, it was all for nothing; you do understand that, don’t you?)
There is more than one way to skin this cat.
S.L. Toddard on 05 Jan 2009 at 12:56 pm #
“White Nationalism is here to stay, deal with it!”
There really isn’t a reason to deal with it. It’s appropriately marginalized, and rarely even considered by the vast majority of Americans. When it is considered at all – an extremely rare occurrence – it’s thought of as at best a repugnant curiosity, a ridiculous and pathetic gaggle of the least civilized and most unsavory sorts of brutes scraped from the bottom of the barrel of society. That’s one of the few good things we can still say about our countrymen – that they ignore White Nationalism. As long as feces-flinging simian loudmouths like Captainchaos are the most vocal and visible representatives of that – ahem – “movement”, it will continue to be relegated to the absolute margins of society and political thought, where it belongs. Getting the comments section of a paleocon website disabled – that is the sort of thing that passes for a major accomplishment in the WN “movement”. As far as I can tell, it’s literally their *greatest* accomplishment. Marvel at how important this “victory” is to Captainchaos, and then go back to doing what the entirety of America does daily – completely ignoring the WN “movement” due to its truly pathetic irrelevance and literally absolute lack of influence or significance.
Captainchaos on 06 Jan 2009 at 2:01 am #
S. L. Toddard (moral paragon): “It’s appropriately marginalized, and rarely even considered by the vast majority of Americans.”
Yes, but why is it that Christian Heinz-Strache’s party is so popular in Austria; and so on with other European nationalist parties that are, by any sane standard, “White Nationalist”? If there, why not here, in time?
“When it is considered at all – an extremely rare occurrence – it’s thought of as at best a repugnant curiosity, a ridiculous and pathetic gaggle of the least civilized and most unsavory sorts of brutes scraped from the bottom of the barrel of society.”
More vapid vaporizing (moralizing).
“That’s one of the few good things we can still say about our countrymen – that they ignore White Nationalism.”
Because you say so, that’s why they should.
“As long as feces-flinging simian loudmouths like Captainchaos are the most vocal and visible representatives of that – ahem – “movement”, it will continue to be relegated to the absolute margins of society and political thought, where it belongs.”
Face it, Toddard, my IQ is higher than yours is.
“Getting the comments section of a paleocon website disabled – that is the sort of thing that passes for a major accomplishment in the WN “movement”.”
I didn’t disable it, they did (the paleocons). Wake up and smell the feces (yours).
“As far as I can tell, it’s literally their *greatest* accomplishment.”
Founding America was pretty snazzy (yes, the Founding Fathers were White Nationalists). So was the 1924 Immigration Act.
“Marvel at how important this “victory” is to Captainchaos, and then go back to doing what the entirety of America does daily – completely ignoring the WN “movement” due to its truly pathetic irrelevance and literally absolute lack of influence or significance.”
Why don’t you live in inner-city Detroit or Zimbabwe, moralist?
bongoparty5 on 06 Jan 2009 at 1:43 pm #
S.L. Toddard: Ha ha. More canards about white-advocates being “degenerates.” Even using Captainchaos as an example? If CC is a “simian loud-mouth,” I’d hate to see what a person of high standard is to you.
How about bringing some real arguments to the table, instead of your infantile attacks.
S.L. Toddard on 06 Jan 2009 at 5:43 pm #
Marvel now at Captainchaos being the living, breathing, furiously-typing embodiment of everything I’ve asserted. Were this a court case, I could wheel into the courtroom a cage or kennel containing Captainchaos (in all his raving, spittle-spraying, bug-eyed glory) and the defense would throw up their hands and the jury would in one voice proclaim “Guilty as charged!” Haha. And he’s not joking around – he thinks he’s waging a well-constructed argument – and winning!
Now it is clear – despite CC’s play-acting at being a “laborer” – that CC is very young. I would guess, from his posts, him to be a middle-school student. Therefore it’s somewhat unfair to judge him on his as-yet unformed ideas, as he is an as-yet unformed person, intellectually speaking. But we must do what we can to point him in the right direction, so that some day – perhaps before he graduates from high school, perhaps after – he might look back on his adolescence and the things he wrote and said then (now) and cringe, having learned better.
Mustn’t we?
Captainchaos on 06 Jan 2009 at 8:33 pm #
Toddard,
Your version of “argumentation” is high-sounding moral denunciation that engages none of the interlocutor’s points. At the end of the “trial” I would be uncaged and you laughed from the courtroom.
Pro-White Activist on 05 Feb 2009 at 7:20 am #
I realize this thread is probably long gone but I still wanted to add the following:
ERIC: “The farthest right you can get is white nationalism”
Not true at all – I’m a pro-White activist and I hold many so called ‘leftist’ beliefs, most of them related to economic fairness, environmentalism, and the rejection of religious fundamentalism. I don’t hate all other ethnic/racial groups and I certainly don’t want to commit violence or genocide against them, but I do see other ethnic/racial groups as being in resource competition with Whites for land, resources, and influence because that is the way they view us.
That being said, I want Whites to become more politically, socially, and economically organized before they end up being swamped by non-Whites in their own countries, before they end up becoming a minority in the countries which their heroic, intelligent, and industrious White ancestors founded, settled, and built. Whites being outright replaced is obviously an increasing possibility now that non-Whites are scrambling by the hundreds of millions if not billions to immigrate to White-majority countries because they are so much safer, cleaner, less corrupt, and more prosperous than non-White countries. Why is that? Because the WHITE MAJORITY MADE THEM THAT WAY…and do take note of the fact that Whites are only about 10-15% of the overall world population and falling rather rapidly, especially in Europe.
If Whites fail to act en masse within the next few decades, all which they and their White ancestors built, invented, and achieved in the previous five centuries of glorious White achievement will be ceded to other groups that didn’t work as hard as Whites to build up their civilizations and cultures. This is already happening in parts of very crowded Asia where they have been copying and emulating White ideas and achievement for decades, all the while looking greedily upon the current expansiveness and abundance of White lands as possible future colonies for the vastly overpopulated Asian lands once White population numbers start to decline (as they now are). I also would like for Whites to help non-Whites to improve (but definitely not control) non-White countries in terms of infrastructure, health, birth control, corruption, political stability etc so that they don’t want or feel like they have to immigrate to White countries for a a better life.
S.L. Toddard: “It’s appropriately marginalized, and rarely even considered by the vast majority of Americans. When it is considered at all – an extremely rare occurrence…That’s one of the few good things we can still say about our countrymen – that they ignore White Nationalism.”
The only thing that makes White nationalists “marginal” is their brutal honesty, because apparently honesty and being totally above-board regarding the correct idea that RACE/ETHNICITY is the FOUNDATIONAL BEDROCK of human civilization is simply not acceptable in modern political discourse in many countries where Whites are the majority. White nationalists/pro-White activists openly and explicitly express and promote ideas which most Whites hold and live by implicitly, even many leftist Whites.
For example, White Americans and Europeans (of whatever political orientation) still prefer to live in safe, clean, and respectable White (or near all-White) neighborhoods; they want to send their children to schools that are all or majority White because they are generally better; they almost always have spouses/partners/friends who are solely White; they work in companies where the majority of people are White; and so on and so forth. These White Americans and Europeans live nice and prosperous all-White lives almost without realizing or being conscious of it, and they take for granted the prosperity, safety, cleanliness, stability, non-corruption and respect for law/order, and relative freedom which comes along with living in a majority White society.
All pro-White activists ask is people of White European stock in America, Canada, Europe, Australia, Argentina, etc to EXPLICITLY and OPENLY acknowledge these facts (as almost every other ethnic-racial group around the world does) and begin to realize the stark and obviously difficult civilizational and population-related perils and pressures which face them now in the present (and which will get MUCH WORSE in to the future) if they fail to (re)assert and protect their collective racial/ethnic interests for the long-term just as every other group does – and like Whites USED to do before the ascendancy of the PC-multicultural-anti-White-White guilt-”Whites are evil” movement which occurred in the second half of the 20th Century.
Svigor on 04 Mar 2009 at 10:22 pm #
Nationalism is a post French Revolution ideological construct and hence a form of liberalism. Do you really expect Confederates to be sympathetic to nationalism?
This is how liberals argue (see how easy it is? No work required, just guilt-by-association and you’re off to walk your dog).
I don’t care where you categorize me in the pantheon. It’s sloppy and irrelevant. The bottom line is that someone is trying to destroy my race (which sorta implies its value, and the hostility involved), and the only way to prevent this is explicit ethno-nationalism.
Do you worry about where you or your attacker falls out on the political spectrum when he’s trying to blow your brains out? Who cares about some silly semantic pedigree when survival is at stake?
And racial reductionism
Red herring. Racial reductionism exists on the lips of my enemies, not mine.
is the ideological flip-side of PC anti-racism.
Who CARES? Jesus, you guys act as though life is about such abstract pithy observations. This is how you preach to the choir, but your choir’s being massacred and you have neither the will, nor the way to protect them.
Svigor on 04 Mar 2009 at 10:30 pm #
Kevin Riley O’Keeffe
Kevin, suppose you discovered that an asteroid large enough for an ELE was on a crash course with the Earth. Would you use the same method of disseminating that fact that you use to disseminate ethno-nationalism?
I would not. Clearly we have differing methods. I’d feel too much like a puss using your method, and you’d feel too much like a…well, I’m drawing a blank here, but I’m sure you have a word in your lexicon.
To each his own.
Svigor on 04 Mar 2009 at 10:35 pm #
S.L. Toddard on 05 Jan 2009 at 12:56 pm #
“White Nationalism is here to stay, deal with it!”
[long appeal to authority snipped]
That’s what you’ve got?
Svigor on 04 Mar 2009 at 10:38 pm #
S.L. Toddard on 06 Jan 2009 at 5:43 pm #
[long argumentum ad hominem snipped]
Okay, that’s two in a row. So now I’ll retort in kind:
You argue EXACTLY like a leftist, all fallacy, no substance. (the foregoing is guilt-by-association)
Svigor on 04 Mar 2009 at 10:52 pm #
I’ll keep this simple.
1) America is headed for white minority, and conservatism is constitutionally incapable of preventing this. So, like liberalism, it’s the seed of its own destruction – both are ideologies of and by white people. Non-whites will destroy both, the first chance they get.
2) As whites become a minority, they will begin acting like non-whites, in that race will become the primary factor in their political thinking. Conservatism will adapt to this, or go extinct.
So what are you guys going to do? Go extinct, or adapt?
Surely you can’t be so stupid as to think you’re going to assimilate non-whites to your way of thinking?
Surely you can’t be so stupid as to think you’ll make good Christians out of of them?
Me, I think the first commandment of any political system or ideology must be, “thou shalt be who thou art.” The canard of “race reductionism” is just that, a canard. I am human, I am Europid, I am Nordic, I am English, I am male, etc. ALL of these things inform who I am. How can they not inform my beliefs, my politics, my identity?
I don’t feel the same camaraderie with an ape that I do with a Negroid. I don’t feel the same camaraderie with a Negroid that I do with a Caucasoid. This continues right on down the line, until I reach my family. Why is this such a big deal to you guys? I say it’s because you’re infected by liberalism. You’ve let the world, Mammon, infect your Christianity, as it were.
Individualism is for suckers, btw. Its place is WITHIN the group, and is not meant to be extended outside of it, any more than the Mongols deserved the respect granted opponents by chivalry.
Individualism works with other individualists, not vs. collectivists. Otherwise you become as big a sucker as the feminists who attack those who would stop Muslim immigration.
Jupiter on 22 Apr 2009 at 1:12 pm #
The reason why White Nationalist were banned is fairly obvious:the Taki.com writers could not defeat them in debate. Yes, the issue of the racial transformation of America via post-1965 immigration policy was raised very often. Here is why:in 2011 the Census Bureau will announce the inevotable demise of the current Native Born White majority. This will be seismic event when the anouncement is made. Native Born White Americans will be put on notice the next day.
The naturalized “Americans” that a previous poster mentioned will vote to accelerate the racial dispossession of Native Born White Americans. This is an excellent reason to deport them.
Richard Spencer is clearly on board with this. He is the one responsible for briging on board to Taki.com the asian supremacist Razib Kahn.
Ron Paul is the last gasp of the Republican party-at least that is the hope of of Richard Spencer and Jack Hunter. However, Ron Pauls aracial-free market conservatism has reached its natural level and wil go no further. Ron Paul made it very clear in his vdare.com interview that he would increase asian legal immigration up to the point that it would compensate for the decrease in illegal immigration.
Spencer, Taki,Hunter and the rest of the asianphile scoundrels over at Taki.com banned the White Nationalists because the White Nationalists can wipe the floor up with Taki,Hunter and Spencer on the economc issues.Take a look at Spencer’s Face Book page. Notice all the asian friends he has.
Razib Kahn, his immediate family and his racial tribe do not belong in America.
Tom on 08 May 2009 at 11:16 am #
I think it’s obvious from even THIS thread why Taki shut down the comments, though I think a better approach would be moderation as comments sections tend to keep traffick.
The lack of civility in many comments sections is what tends to bring them down and I must say that Captainchaos seems to be a poster boy for it.
Wesley Mcgranor on 05 Feb 2011 at 2:14 pm #
I quit the temporary labor services ten years ago and now i do some landscaping for myself. I find the neoconservative premise against illegal immigration to be a rationalyzation. A rationalyzation that we as paleoconservatives should not share. Because we will not hesitate to be vocal regarding the detriment of Mexican and hispanic cultural immigration period. I applaud Mexican laborers–whom used to be called migrant workers and their under-the-table work. I say tough titty to the bulk of our citizenry that wants a safety net, high pay and/including a labor union. I’ll work cheap and due a dang good job.