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From the AP:
The head of the Missouri State Highway Patrol has shut down a controversial report linking right-wing groups with the modern militia movement.
Lt. Gov. Peter Kinder on Wednesday called on the director of the Public Safety Department to be placed on administrative leave pending an investigation of the report.
H/T WVWN, as a result of this scandal ALIPAC writes:
ALIPAC is issuing a national advisory to all local, state, and Federal law enforcement agencies and officers, along with all DHS Fusion Centers, a warning against any reliance upon faulty and politicized research issued by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) and Anti Defamation League (ADL).
The Southern Poverty Law Center was cited as a research source for the ‘Missouri Documents‘. Furthermore, the attempt of these documents to cast suspicion of violent and life threatening behavior on millions of Americans who are concerned about these issues is consistent with the regularly released political materials of both the SPLC and ADL.
Hopefully the SPLC and ADL reputations, and thus influence, will be reduced as a result of the outlandish ‘Missouri Documents’.
Weaver on 27 Mar 2009 at 5:02 am #
Infowars has an update.
It claims to have received the original report.
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Hopefully this is the start of a new trend where the reality of left wing violence is admitted too.
Kirt Higdon on 27 Mar 2009 at 10:54 am #
So such reports would be OK if they labeled supporters of Ralph Nader and Cynthia McKinney as terrorists rather than so labeling supporters of Chuck Baldwin and Ron Paul? I don’t think so. Hopefully this is the start of a new trend where the government stops labeling people as terrorists in order to gin up popular fear and support for the “war on terror” and just sticks to apprehending and prosecuting people who have commited actual crimes. But I don’t have my hopes up very much. The “war on terror” is far to useful to the rulers.
Weaver on 27 Mar 2009 at 11:13 am #
I meant in popular culture. Hopefully this will create waves that reach popular culture.
Right now the bad guys are always far right stereotypes, or Muslims who are a different sort of far right.
roho on 27 Mar 2009 at 1:32 pm #
Great Article Weaver!……….Too often “Good Journalism” is passed off as conspiracy theory nonsense. There is simply far too much evidence out there, that indicates a well organized plan to subject the U.S. citizens to tyranny.
Captainchaos on 28 Mar 2009 at 12:48 am #
“The head of the Missouri State Highway Patrol has shut down a controversial report linking right-wing groups with the modern militia movement.”
The implication is that if right-wing groups WERE linked with pro-White paramilitary outfits that would be to the former’s discredit. In the coming Brazilianized dystopia our elites have planned for us it may well be necessary for Whites to form a pro-White political party with a paramilitary wing loyal to the command structure of the party. It is better that such paramilitary outfits are answerable to pro-White political leaders, otherwise they run the risk of warlordism and gangsterism.
Weaver: “Hopefully the SPLC and ADL reputations, and thus influence, will be reduced as a result of the outlandish ‘Missouri Documents’.”
Hopefully it will become widely recognized that these organizations serve the ethnic interests of Jews by pathologizing the ethnic interests of Whites. They seek to drown our people in the bottomless seas of the third-world and thence mongrelize us out of existence. Does anyone here honestly believe that is not their intent? They are anti-White genocidalists.
P.S. Andrew T.,
According to the official plaque outside Auschwitz 1.1 million people were killed there, yet you still contend that “millions” were killed. WTF? Rudolf Hoss said 3 million (you know, the COMMANDANT OF AUSCHWITZ, who was TORTURED INTO SAYING THAT), well, apparently those who approved the OFFICIAL PLAQUE beg to differ. The clear implication being, that if the freakin’ signed ‘confession’ of the camp commandant is inaccurate by 2 million (important note: inaccurate because he was TORTURED BY JEWS) then why should we take for granted that even 1.1 million were there killed, eh genius?
P.S.S. When I say construct a pro-White Christianity I mean not the jettisoning of the entire freakin’ Bible, obviously. I mean a Christianity that does not interpret the Bible as hostile to White ethnic interests, ya feel me, dawg?
fellist on 28 Mar 2009 at 11:02 am #
– Lt. Gov. Peter Kinder on Wednesday called on the director of the Public Safety Department to be placed on administrative leave pending an investigation of the report. –
If this guy loses his job that’ll be a real victory! All public officials who pass on ADL/SPLC propaganda without regard for its often slanderous content will be warned.
fellist on 28 Mar 2009 at 11:27 am #
Pastor Baldwin’s response to the news here:
http://www.vdare.com/baldwin/090327_splc.htm
Captainchaos on 28 Mar 2009 at 1:29 pm #
Not to put too fine a point on it, but Morris Dees and Mark Potok of the SPLC are Jews. Coincidence? In the faileocon weltanschauung, probably.
Abe Foxman is clearly Italian.
It’s not The Jooos, big gubmint is the problem.
Captainchaos on 28 Mar 2009 at 9:57 pm #
I can very simply tell you now why faileoconservatism is justly so called. It’s resignation to failure is intrinsic to it, it is bred to the bone. The ideas it promulgates are forever and always wide of the mark of just what is the source of what we value, and the pseudo-solutions it exhorts are bound for defeat for they do not target the true agents of our destruction. If not so, why all the pessimism in your ranks? Because, adherents are at least dimly aware that they fight not for victory but to dull the pain of enduring inevitable defeat. Is it any mystery that the best men will not step forward when they are offered no true, compelling vision of a world saved from the brink of the destruction which can only be achieved through their sacrifices? It cannot be, to a thinking man. Until you offer the best men what it is that will merit their sacrifices, Final Victory, you will not have them, and without them you will have ruin.
To persist in faileoconservatism is to forfeit one’s honor as a White man. Sickeningly, symptomatically, many faileos will scoff that a White man’s honor means anything at all, if he does not believe it to be an evil. Because he does not believe there is value in being a White man, and therefore no value in saving his people from destruction.
Wonder no longer why you fail.
Andrew T. on 29 Mar 2009 at 4:57 am #
The White race is not in some imminent danger of extirpation that only your personal interpretation of radical white nationalism/neo-Nazism is capable of remedying. You have certainly chosen a strange altar to worship at, Captainchaos.
Jews are not in some inherently anti-white coup. They’re just liberal-leaning, as are other minorities, though also the most activist. Please get over yourself and attach your pigheaded battle cry to another strawman.
Though I have to say that the mere fact of your existence and of others like you nearly makes me feel that the SPLC possesses traces of legitimacy, at least in the same way as a broken clock.
Paleos are not failures (as if you were one to talk), they’re just not race-obsessed. Genetic particularities have a very proper place among their priorities, in that that they acknowledge and do not shy away from the fact of it, but it is not the end-all be-all lens with which they view human affairs, any more than one could wisely understand this world through a lens of gender (feminism/masculism), or of class (Marxism). They are not racist pigs, in simpler language. You might as well learn to live with that instead of being irritating and speaking of them as if they are at some inherent fault.
Andrew T. on 29 Mar 2009 at 5:10 am #
Furthermore, I can only laugh at your proposition of “Final Victory” (capitalized, naturally), which I believe is an adolescent pipe dream more naive and utopian than anything of which a socialist has ever conceived.
I and any wise conservative is first and last a realist, aware of man’s fallen, sinful nature and very limited ability to ameliorate his state of affairs (descriptions from which white or any other race can claim no immunity), especially through large-scale planning based upon ideology.
Weaver on 29 Mar 2009 at 10:21 am #
Andrew,
The SPLC is so desperate for people like Captain Chaos that they invent national socialist groups and create false claims by various right wing groups, just to justify their existence. And a popular tactic is to send in an agent who then joins and attempts to lead the group to extremism, or at the least associate them with it.
Not that it really matters at a small site like this, but yea far left groups do just that.
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Legal, law abiding militias are a good idea, that’s in keeping with the second Amendment and its purpose, but it’s annoying to agree with the captain on any point because of association with all this other stuff.
Captainchaos on 29 Mar 2009 at 5:09 pm #
Andrew T.: “The White race is not in some imminent danger of extirpation…”
Oh but it is. Just what is it that Buchanan is so frantically churning out books about then?
“…that only your personal interpretation of radical white nationalism/neo-Nazism is capable of remedying.”
My interpretation is at least in part my own, naturally. Just as your flaccid brand of grin-and-bear-it faileoconservatism is. Leaving aside your asinine boo words, just what is it you are prepared to do to stave off the Final Destruction (sorry if you caps irk your delicate sensibilities) of European Man? Yes, if the seemingly inexorable trends of erosion are not halted and reversed, that is precisely what will be; and that if precisely what must not be allowed to be. Do you have the temerity to argue with me on that point?
“Jews are not in some inherently anti-white coup.”
A conservative Jew recently wrote to Kevin MacDonald regarding just that. Read MacDonald’s reply here if you are interested in logical conclusions drawn from the indisputable fact you so assiduously eschew.
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/MacDonald-Madison.html#madison
“Paleos are not failures (as if you were one to talk), they’re just not race-obsessed.”
If they will not do what must be done to save our race from destruction they are most assuredly failures. What would you do to help your people in their most perilous hour? Just about dick squat, is that the stuff that success is made of?
“They are not racist pigs, in simpler language.”
Then I’m afraid the Founding Fathers were “racist pigs”. But I do not expect a mind as subtle and probing as yours (sarcasm) to come to that conclusion for the fact of your immersion in primary documents.
“…which [Final Victory] I believe is an adolescent pipe dream more naive and utopian than anything of which a socialist has ever conceived.”
It is realistically a relative measure of security for our race’s existence, yet stylized as an ideological dogma. Kinda like Jebus Saves. Yes, the sun will one day burn out, it is true; noted.
“…especially through large-scale planning based upon ideology.”
Especially through no-scale planning based in a hoped for large-scale religious revival, har har. Jebus will do all the work.
Weaver: “And a popular tactic is to send in an agent who then joins and attempts to lead the group to extremism, or at the least associate them with it.”
Is that what you think I am Weaver? If so, come out and say it. That is the same tack that ‘man among men’ (LOL!), Gottfried, lamely took, when it was clear I had his back up against the wall. Smear, smear, smear! Wouldn’t the SPLC be proud of you? Are you sure you are a Southerner?
“Legal, law abiding militias are a good idea, that’s in keeping with the second Amendment and its purpose,”
What serious good are militias unless they are sufficiently strong to pose a real counterbalance to government power? What? As some kind of Jamesian “moral equivelant of war?” LOL! What was it that Sobran said about how it was “all a game or a way of making a living [or a way to feel morally superior]?”
“…but it’s annoying to agree with the captain on any point because of association with all this other stuff.”
You know damn well you agree with me, the Founding Fathers, and John Stuart Mill, that our form of government will not be sustainable if we are to see a Brazilianization of our population. If it comes to that, and Jebus surely knows that with such a feeble opposition as faileoconservatism being the best you can throw against the globalization steamroller, it will come to that, what then, eh? More of your patented pathetic grin-and-bear-it? Get real.
Captainchaos on 29 Mar 2009 at 6:04 pm #
Just what is it I actually propose that so rankles? That European peoples have the right to self-determination and ought to seek self-determination? And, that our enemies, who seek to deny us that – which would at least in effect eventually deny us our very existence – ought to be opposed, in as muscular a way as is necessary, with it being known by all men of justice and good will, that it is WE who are the aggrieved party, and that if our enemies wish to avoid being opposed by us, they should then stand aside? With that you quibble? And because I steadfastly say that it is no less than perfect justice that we ought to defend ourselves from destruction the fault lies in me? “Gentlemen”, just where do you get your nerve?
Andrew T. on 30 Mar 2009 at 12:50 am #
Oh, give us a break. Depending on whether you’re on defense or offense, with you it’s innocent “self-determination” one moment and blood-hungry “Final Victory” then next.
Weaver on 30 Mar 2009 at 10:18 am #
Captainchaos,
I know you mean well, most people do, but the appeal to national socialism will never work on Americans. To Americans: the national socialists were pure evil – we fought a war against them and millions died. Among those who fought the Germans were my grandfathers.
If you wish to do more than give me a headache, and by that I mean to actually challenge the dominant academics on the Holocaust and WWII, then you should completely drop politics, study those subjects, and openly challenge the leading scholars to debates while writing books and hosting a website detailing your arguments in well constructed, clearly presented webpages with pictures and diagrams and all else that makes study enjoyable to the average viewer.
However, your strategy seems to be to yell at people and then curse them when they’re repelled by what they think happened during WWII.
If you go to an anti-immigration rally and preach Hitler, the crowd will join the other side. That’s reality. And the same lesson can be applied to other political activities.
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As for myself, I’m not going to bother looking into your claims because I’ve got too much to do as is.
I’m more interested in revealing the largely unspoken far greater crimes of the Communist mass murderers, and more recently the neocon mass murderers (via their devilish meddling). I am not going to fight under the banner of national socialism. That is not my heritage, and I’m not interested in the history of that subject.
At the same time, I’m not going to curse others as Nazis but rather as Communists, which is a far worse curse considering the statistics.
If you can’t understand this, then I’m sorry. I’m not going to continue giving this same reply over and again each thread on a continuous, never ending discussion of the Holocaust. And your strategy of uniting under a single white leader is similarly essentially national socialist.
I understand that unity is powerful and that war often requires a single leader, but you speak of an abstract including an abstract of a leader who does not even exist and a civil war that has not erupted. I’m not going to follow these abstracts, and I’m especially not under the banner of national socialism.
This is not that type of site. I’m not that type of person. Future discussion on this after this thread will involve either my ignoring the topic or my removing posts referencing the Holocaust and national socialism. I’m not going to be conquered by a blogger, freedom of speech be damned.
Say whatever you want here in this thread. If you have any question, please ask here. I might not be so annoyed were you not so rude, but the overall actions are intolerable.
Captainchaos on 30 Mar 2009 at 2:48 pm #
Andrew T.: “Depending on whether you’re on defense or offense, with you it’s innocent “self-determination” one moment and blood-hungry “Final Victory” then next.”
Final Victory entails reclaiming all that has been stolen from the White race, all our lands. That would almost certainly secure the existence of our race in perpetuity. It is no mystery sports fans, you play to win the game, otherwise you lose.
Weaver: “To Americans: the national socialists were pure evil – we fought a war against them and millions died.”
Yeah, one million German civilians were Holocausted, consumed in fire, by the Anglo-American bombing campaign, which was expressly its purpose. Fifteen million Germans were ethnically cleansed from Germany’s eastern frontiers as ancient Prussia was wiped off the map, two million died. Many millions more died of starvation as the Morgenthau plan, which Patton described as “Semitic,” was more or less implemented. It was only canned on a pragmatic basis to erect a bulwark against the Soviets. Next time you hear someone mewling about Sherman, remember. Isn’t that just what YOUR folk had coming for being slavers? Injustice is injustice, and we can’t be bothered by the brutal costs of punishing it, even if it means destroying our own race in the process, eh? Or do you support slavery? The Bible doesn’t seem to forbid it, as Francis pointed out. Shhhh, don’t tell anyone, bad PR, LOL!
“…then you should completely drop politics, study those subjects, and openly challenge the leading scholars to debates while writing books and hosting a website detailing your arguments in well constructed, clearly presented webpages with pictures and diagrams and all else that makes study enjoyable to the average viewer.”
There already is such research, there already are such websites. “Enjoyable” he says? LOL! Didn’t you just get done telling me that the average lemming can hear no evil, and see to see evil, because his mind is filled with the (mythological) “evil” of the Holohoax? So go take a flying leap is what you really mean? That wounds, Weaver, really, LOL!
“…I’m not going to bother looking into your claims…”
But of course, got faith gene?
“And your strategy of uniting under a single white leader is similarly essentially national socialist.”
I’d like you to provide a quote where I recommended that. I seek to disable the main propaganda weapon the Jews use against our people, ‘The Naaazis! Oy, Holocaust!’ But that takes balls, and as you say, you wouldn’t understand.
“I’m not going to be conquered by a blogger, freedom of speech be damned.”
Why, worried? None of the race traitors I’ve confronted EVER have ANYTHING substantive to offer as a counter.
You’ll have to forgive my truculence, it’s just that if we don’t act decisively our race and civilization will burn to ashes.
P.S. Andrew T., you still believe that “millions” died at Auschwitz even though the OFFICIAL PLAQUE says otherwise. Do you have any idea just how obstinately fucking stupid that is? Hope your faith gene lets you sleep at night.
Andrew T. on 30 Mar 2009 at 6:21 pm #
Faith gene? Explain that one to me. You certainly place a great deal of faith in the matter of race above all other considerations. Blood and soil is not a practical consideration for you, but almost a religion.
Anyway, I have no problem believing that only 1.1 million died in the Holocaust if that is what the evidence clearly indicates. A lower death toll certainly does not make a holocaust any less awful. And let’s not forget that Auschwitz was only one among the several other major concentration camps.
Weaver on 30 Mar 2009 at 6:39 pm #
Captain wrote:
I’ve actually made that very point at this site in the past. I don’t hide from the South’s past, that’s my past, I simply refuse to take on the German albatross. The Germans are not my people – that’s not my guilt. My ancestors fought the Germans. Right or wrong, that’s the side they were on, and it’s thus the Allies whose albatross I do take on, not the Axis.
Captain wrote:
I don’t praise the massacring of the Germans? This is not related to the Holocaust. This is a very clear and widely recognised atrocit(ies) that occurred by the allies, especially the Soviets who were often brutal.
This is something that should be brought into the open as I said earlier with regard to the communists.
There is a difference between pointing this out and denying the Holocaust. No one denies the atrocities you mention, so the need is only for someone to popularise them.
Captain wrote:
Slavery in itself is not as evil as mass murder.
Captain wrote:
Then take it up and drop politics. Someone is needed to physically debate these topics, and you seem to desire just this. So take that path.
You still don’t understand my suggestion? Slow down and read this:
If you go into academia and attempt to take on the Holocaust historical claims, then you must appear politically neutral else you won’t be taken as a reliable source. And certainly you must be honest too, else you’ll likely do more harm than good by misleading people and thus undermining your position.
If you go into politics, you cannot expect to win people over with national socialism. You then must cease mentioning the holocaust and WWII.
To attempt both is the strategy of a sucker (that’s what the SPLC would love to see occur) because you’ll only drive people away. And if you can’t understand this, I don’t know what else to say other than to think before you act.
“A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five.”
Captain wrote:
Your atheism aside, there are important, real issues to deal with. WWII was horrible during which millions suffered and died as the result of both sides fighting. What more do I need to know to accomplish my goals of defending the South from evil politicians?
I do not choose the path of Holocaust academia. I’m interested in living problems that exist in this day.
Captainchaos on 30 Mar 2009 at 9:11 pm #
Andrew T.: “Blood and soil is not a practical consideration for you, but almost a religion.”
Uh, you mean kinda like recognizing the practicality of a house? A defended piece of territory that constitutes your particular ethno-state is the guarantor of your ethny’s genetic continuity, it’s like your freakin’ house; it don’t get much more practical than that.
“Faith gene? Explain that one to me.”
Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_gene
“Anyway, I have no problem believing that only 1.1 million died in the Holocaust if that is what the evidence clearly indicates.”
That’s good, boy, Massa just might learn you yet. The total number is indeed MUCH lower, maybe I’ll get to that later.
“A lower death toll certainly does not make a holocaust any less awful.”
There was no campaign of extermination, there were no homicidal gas chambers. Germar Rudolf, a German scientist, performed chemical tests on the alleged gas chambers, there was not the Prussian Blue residue that would be there if used for that purpose; sorry to burst your bubble.
Weaver: “Slavery in itself is not as evil as mass murder.”
Get this through your thick skull, there was no campaign to exterminate the Jews.
“What more do I need to know to accomplish my goals of defending the South from evil politicians?”
You say no race mixing, they will say Holocaust. You say you got cracker pride, they will say Holocaust.
Btw, what do you think of legally proscribing miscegenation? Or are you ashamed of that legacy?
Everybody needs Roots, just remember, your name ain’t Toby, it’s Kunta Kinte, you dig White man?
“I’m interested in living problems that exist in this day.”
Like cracking down on race mixing.
P.S. Would you or would you not legally proscribe miscegenation?
Captainchaos on 30 Mar 2009 at 9:45 pm #
Moreover, just where do you get off defending slavery?
“You’re not a man, you’re a nigger, I own you, now pick my cotton, boy!”
That’s just about as shitty as it gets. That’s why I REFUSE to be the Jew’s nigger, er, I mean their goy, and swallow their foul Holohoax lies. I’d rather suck gas! Some choose death before dishonor, how about you, “White man”?
Weaver on 30 Mar 2009 at 10:43 pm #
“Moreover, just where do you get off defending slavery?”
Defend it? I’m not a fan of it, but other “free” systems can have similar failings. And once the system starts, it can’t be easily ended.
“Get this through your thick skull, there was no campaign to exterminate the Jews.”
Get this through yours: no one believes you. Fight the academics if you have the evidence, else you’re wasting your time. They’re the ones who debate this stuff. I don’t care enough about the issue.
Go up to Harvard, dress nicely, and politely challenge the head of the history department to a debate on the Holocaust. Once denied, tell the papers. Then go to Yale, Princeton, Columbia, etc. If you get a debate and lose, then you’ll have undermined your cause.
Or better yet, ask a real historian how to go about this. Perhaps there’s a better way. Telling me about it doesn’t make an impact.
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Anything more? There’s some stuff even you’d like that I’ve got to post but haven’t had the time yet. It has nothing to do on the Holocaust though.
Captainchaos on 31 Mar 2009 at 12:53 am #
One last thing, if you need a moral justification for banning miscegenation, it is an act to the detriment of both peoples concerned. It devalues both, destroys both. What do Blacks need with White men and women when they have their own? It cannot be argued that Blacks were not better off when they were more oriented towards their own people. Let them have their pride, let them have their peoplehood, and let us have ours. To do less is to encourage an unhealthy level of individualism, without recognizing that without the collective, and racial kin is the most natural and healthy collective, the individual will face misery and ultimately destruction. THAT is why we should ban miscegenation, and HOW to it without ‘hate’.
Start talking about it, start giving concrete proposals. Insist upon Southern White atomization from the rest of your race all you like, but if you ‘clean your slab’ it would be a large step towards getting the rest of us to do our part, at least by example. But realize, you neglect the rest of your race – for the White South alone in a wholly non-White world would not last – at the peril of your people. (Of course I’m willing to bet you knew that, but you won’t say it. Which does not surprise.) Fleshing the implication of that out, even if Holohoaxianity does not effect your efforts to achieve Southern (White) nationalism – which is delusional to think – it will effect the efforts of other White peoples, and your fate and theirs are bound.
“…no one believes you.”
If the findings of Germar Rudolf stand then that is ballgame. Let’s face it though, when I showed you that Buchanan article, regurgitating the evidence of the “deniers,” you just about fainted. Clearly, clearly, in his most recent book, which he no doubt means to be his opus magnum, he does not deny the Holocaust, when his earlier article would certainly tend one to believe he is a “denier.” So either he changed his mind or he is lying, so as not to excite the lemmings, tactically. Is that not your own tact? Of course I don’t expect you to admit it, if it is. Just so long you know that I know.
And if in future instances I urge you on, and suggest means, and rationales, to achieve Southern nationalism, and you threaten me with censorship, and to hell with free speech, I’ll know that whatever lofty ideals you have proposed here are no more than a sham and a lie. And you’ll know that I know.
Carry on.
Andrew T. on 31 Mar 2009 at 4:48 am #
There was most definitely a concentrated effort by Nazi Germany to round up and exterminate the Jewish people in Europe. Or was your “hero” just bluffing when he declared Jews to be the ultimate scourge of this world (other than Communism, which he was also dedicated to wiping out)? From what sinister imagination world you pull your historical rantings and ravings out from, I do not know, but they are certainly part and parcel to your hyper-collectivist ideology. I might be wrong, but I remember somewhere that in Mein Kamph one of Hitler’s stated goals was the removal of 1/3 of the Jews from Europe (which he succeeded in).
Most people think in far more humane, personal, and spiritual terms than would you when relating to others. Radical feminism is hardly a more narrow-minded ideology than to view all things in a racist, collectivist, geneticist context. You’re so materialistic, it’s unbelievable.
Free speech doesn’t mean you have the right to use HIS web space as your personal soapbox.
Andrew T. on 31 Mar 2009 at 5:00 am #
P.S.:
Self-aggrandizing idiot gene.
Weaver on 31 Mar 2009 at 9:26 am #
No, no. If you suggest violence or ethnic cleansing I’ll just remove it. And you’ll know my intent is not to encourage violence.
I realise you see this as a contradiction, but that’s reality: I don’t want violence.
Buchanan has warned against the coming Balkanisation for years. It won’t be pretty, but your solutions aren’t pretty either. The best solution is to prepare for the worst and to ensure loved ones don’t become victims – ie. by moving out of likely trouble areas. And similarly to reduce immigration to reduce these pressures.
It’s the evil politicians who are forcing this Balkanisation, and they’re the ones who’ll be responsible for any violence that does materialise by others in the next few decades. I’m against harming people. They’re the monsters. Obama, Graham, McCain, Bush, etc. = monsters.
You bring up Francis as a way of justifying violence, but he never suggested violence and his suggestions did not call for it. You’ve no idea what sort of Hell that type of violence as you seem to desire would be.
Captainchaos on 31 Mar 2009 at 11:45 pm #
Weaver: “If you suggest violence or ethnic cleansing I’ll just remove it. And you’ll know my intent is not to encourage violence.”
I propose nothing that is not defensive, from the standpoint of the collective, to secure the existence of our people. The massive influx of non-Whites into White neighborhoods, the attendant crime and degradation of of Whites by them, the necessity for Whites to leave what they built and was to be bequeathed to their (White) progeny, is nothing less than violence and ethnic cleansing. Did I stutter?
Do you or do you not support what was called Operation Wetback? If not, fair enough. If so, I say “hypocrisy”.
“It won’t be pretty, but your solutions aren’t pretty either.”
Being assailed by an ax murderer won’t be pretty, but fending him off in effective fashion won’t be pretty either; better to lay down and die, that would be the decent thing to do. LOL! That’s rich.
“Obama, Graham, McCain, Bush, etc. = monsters.”
Let’s have war crimes tribunals, try the bastards for committing genocide against the White race; here, here. And off course those who incite to commit genocide (e.g., demonizing White people), following the precedent of the Julius Streicher prosecution at Nuremberg. He he! Don’t you know? There will be plenty of Jews in that docket. Or do you apply one standard to “Nazis” and another standard to Jews? I expect an answer.
“You’ve no idea what sort of Hell that type of violence as you seem to desire would be.”
Our enemies can always stand aside, but of course they will not. If not, they should rightly expect nothing less than fanatical resistance to the bitter end to save our race; for if they take from us the existence of our people, they will have taken from us everything. Do you quibble with that?
Andrew T.,
Top drawer intellects like yours are a rarity, and you’ve out classed me in every way conceivable, I give in. LOL! No, seriously, I got you to concede the possibility the numbers alleged killed at Auschwitz were drastically overblown. That would be only the first of many pieces in your chimerical house of cards to fall, if I had the patience to go the distance with you, against your semi-literate obstinacy, for your benefit, one White man to another. Alas I do not, at least at the moment.
Now run along, you’re needed, check-out in aisle seven.
Andrew T. on 01 Apr 2009 at 3:35 am #
Francis would surely have considered his ideas abhorrent and an embarrassment, Weaver.
Your definition of “violence” against a “collective” is absurdity on the shabbiest of stilts. It is a disgusting miscarriage of the most basic notions of justice. Violence is the initiation of physical force; it doesn’t matter if the ax murderer is the jolly green giant, for goodness sake, until he actually commits (or implies that he will commit) aggression against another person, there is no crime that has been committed. You can view too much immigration or cultural exchange as undesirable and even something that should be remedied in a conscious organized form, but enough with the sophistry, already. I am not a philosophical libertarian, but theirs is a definition of “violence” that makes sense. Yours is poppycock.
“That would be only the first of many pieces in your chimerical house of cards to fall”
You talk as though I have never experienced any change of viewpoints until I was finally graced by the all-knowing presence of Your Majesty. I guarantee you that you will never, EVER convince anyone out in the real world with that sort of attitude.
“No, seriously, I got you to concede the possibility the numbers alleged killed at Auschwitz were drastically overblown.”
Well, it makes sense that if the official plaque says 1.1 million were killed, that is the better information to go with or at least start with; I am, after all, unfettered by political correctness. If I had been exposed to the information on my own terms, I wouldn’t have come to any different conclusions.
“semi-literate obstinacy”
I am an avid reader, actually, and my strong suit in education has always been in language arts and writing. Really, this is the sort of insult that I would rather ignore for the sake of dignity, but that would do nothing but royally irritate and alienate your average person.
“Now run along, you’re needed, check-out in aisle seven.”
I do work in a discount store, as a matter of fact. But the only register I do is layaway. Yeah, it isn’t a great job, but you do what you can to earn some income at my age, especially in a recession. Thanks for the patronization, I guess.
Captainchaos on 01 Apr 2009 at 10:14 am #
Andrew T.: “Well, it makes sense that if the official plaque says 1.1 million were killed, that is the better information to go with or at least start with;”
It is a process of attrition, I’ve been there, done that.
“…I am, after all, unfettered by political correctness.”
Uh, hmmm.
“If I had been exposed to the information on my own terms, I wouldn’t have come to any different conclusions.”
In 1985, at Ernst Zundel’s trial in Canada, Ross Verba, a main Auschwitz witness, all but admitted lying. At the same trial, Raul Hilberg admitted he had ZERO scientific evidence to claim as proof for homicidal gas chambers; on cross examination. That’s what happens when these frauds are removed from their protective enclosures, they are demolished. And as to your precious Holohoax historians, what they say is proof is actually nothing other than quoting as gospel, and recycling, the same fictive nonsense spewed by the likes of Hilberg and Verba – that is how it works, sorry to tell you.
Weaver on 01 Apr 2009 at 12:49 pm #
Andrew writes:
I mowed lawns as an early job, among other things.
Americans over obsess about the type of work they do. There’s more to a man than his profession.
Captainchaos on 01 Apr 2009 at 4:02 pm #
“I mowed lawns as an early job, among other things.”
And now you’ve got Jorge to mow your lawn and Tyrone to fetch your lemonade. Is that right? LOL!
Weaver on 02 Apr 2009 at 1:53 am #
Andrew wrote:
I can’t judge on Francis’s character since I never met him, but he never advocated violence, that I’m aware of. And he was well educated and brilliant, so his views would have probably been better developed than Captain’s, and certainly better developed than my own. He was very racially oriented though.
I’ve heard he was a pagan for much of his life, but he died a Christian.
Captainchaos on 02 Apr 2009 at 4:16 pm #
Weaver,
I recall a scene from the Lord of the Rings in which Pippen confronts Denethor regarding his Nihilism, for it could be none other than Nihilism which grasped the heart of a mighty man such as Denethor to impel him thusly, so out of keeping with his character, or what we can assume was preponderantly his character. Pippen said he would not despair of life so long as Gandalf did not despair of life; and would therefore fight on, come what may, even if what might come would be personally more painful than exiting the stage then.
That is Courage, or rather following the example of Courage in the service of the Noble, which in turn is also noble Loyalty to an honorable Leader who has Honor due to his steadfast adherence unto Death to the Noble.
Who can argue that is not what is needed now? And let that literary portrait be a lesson to you, to lift up your leveled gaze so you can see, that strength born of a strong will does not necessitate forsaking Honor and the Noble; in fact, a strong will, Courage, is needed to uphold the former. Indeed virtue is many and at once one, for without the other virtues a particular virtue cannot come to fruition within the soul of a man.
There can be no shame in leading and following Leaders, for such is a necessary condition for securing a life worth living; especially now when the bayonet is at the belly of the very existence of our people. Let us now gird ourselves to do our duty to our people, so that we may be worthy of a world, be it this world or another if there be such a world, in which all tears are wiped away. For if we are not strong in the service of saving our people, it is the end.
“And he was well educated and brilliant, so his views would have probably been better developed than Captain’s,”
What’s that now?
Weaver on 02 Apr 2009 at 7:20 pm #
You’re not going to tell me that you or I are equals to someone like Francis who was more or less a professional intellectual and journalist? The man was reputedly like a walking library.
You should read the linked article I posted for Andrew just now. You’d do well to read more by Francis considering your orientation.
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Reg. the rest of what you wrote: why not write in this style regularly?
I’m all for serving a great leader, should one arise. But one must be found first, and he’d have to lead in the right direction.
And it’s true I think that virtue requires strength.
Andrew T. on 02 Apr 2009 at 8:07 pm #
Weaver,
What kind of pagan was Francis, some sort of New Right odalist? Another dead-end ideology, in my book. Culture can guide a man’s soul, but it can not save it; it is never an end in itself. A rejection of materialism, I think, ultimately undermines the very myopia that the European New Rightists would prescribe for all the rest of us, for in Christianity is a wellspring of non-materialistic values, and in market capitalism properly in balance with the culture (unlikely, but not impossible, I think) is truly astonishing prosperity.
Weaver on 03 Apr 2009 at 12:16 am #
I dunno that he was religious then. “Pagan” sometimes refers to people interested in pre-Christian views – but they don’t necessarily believe in them.
I seriously doubt he was an Odinist – I never read him praise a pagan God as if religious.
Weaver on 03 Apr 2009 at 12:18 am #
Yea, you’re right.
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