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H.R.1751 in the House and S. 729 in the Senate.
NumbersUSA summary:
[Dream Act] would amnesty certain illegal aliens under the pretense of providing educational opportunities for children. Specifically, it would repeal Section 505 of the 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, which prevents illegal aliens from being eligible for in-state tuition. In addition, it would authorize the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to cancel removal proceedings for certain illegal aliens and adjust their standing to conditional lawful permanent resident (LPR) status for six years if they lived in the United States for five continuous years before the bill’s enactment, meet the bill’s definition of “good moral character;” are not inadmissible or deportable on certain criminal grounds including risk to national security; and have been admitted to an institution of higher education, have a high school diploma, or have a GED in the United States. Furthermore, when the amnestied aliens complete their six years of conditional permanent resident status, they can petition USCIS to have the conditions removed and become regular lawful permanent residents. The petition may be filed any time within the six months leading up to, or the two years following, the end of the six-year period. There is no numerical limit on how many illegal aliens may be granted amnesty and they cannot be counted against any existing immigration cap. To make matters worse, the legislation prevents an alien who simply files an amnesty application from being removed from the United States before the application is adjudicated completely. Finally, amnestied aliens would be eligible for certain student loans, federal work-study programs, and even federal Pell grants.
Also see: Rosemary Jenks’s line-by-line analysis and the NumbersUSA detailed analysis.
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Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act in 1986, and illegal immigration continued. Amnesty didn’t solve the problem then, and it won’t solve the problem today.
Eman on 09 Apr 2009 at 1:51 am #
Be on the lookout for a manufactured ‘crisis’ when this bill is soon to be voted on to try to distract people from the fact that amnesty of millions of illegal alien kids are about to be made legal.
We’ve got to watch this legislation like a hawk, even if some fake ‘crisis’ pops up which seeks to distract people from noticing these bills.
Dostoevsky on 09 Apr 2009 at 12:17 pm #
“under the pretense of providing educational opportunities for children.”
A-HA! I knew it. Weaver doesn’t like children. What a cold-hearted person.
D B Allyn on 09 Apr 2009 at 12:57 pm #
Dosto – He is just opposed to state (i.e. taxpayer) provided funds for education , which any rational person opposes. Education is a priviledge, not a right and this is especially so for illegals.
Filmer on 09 Apr 2009 at 4:42 pm #
Mr. Allyn, I can assure you he was being facetious.
Bede on 09 Apr 2009 at 5:20 pm #
If you are not already a member of NumbersUSA, you should join today. It allows you to send free faxes, etc.
roho on 09 Apr 2009 at 6:04 pm #
Bede…….I understand the Numbers USA fax system and have used it so much that I now have fax fatigue.
I really have to ask a silly question. Do the same congressmen that have been in power for 20 years and received faxes non-stop for the last five years think that we have changed our minds?
We really need term limits for these career politicians.
Captainchaos on 09 Apr 2009 at 11:47 pm #
“A congruent opinion is expressed by prominent Jewish social scientist and ethnic activist Earl Raab, who remarks very positively on the success of American immigration policy in altering the ethnic composition of the United States since 1965.1 Raab notes that the Jewish community has taken a leader-ship role in changing the Northwestern European bias of American immigra-tion policy (1993a, 17), and he has also maintained that one factor inhibiting anti-Semitism in the contemporary United States is that “an increasing ethnic heterogeneity, as a result of immigration, has made it even more difficult for a political party or mass movement of bigotry to develop” (1995, 91). Or more colorfully:
The Census Bureau has just reported that about half of the American population will soon be non-white or non-European. And they will all be American citizens. We have tipped beyond the point where a Nazi-Aryan party will be able to prevail in this country.”
“Immigration policy is a paradigmatic example of conflicts of interest between ethnic groups because immigration policy determines the future demographic composition of the nation. Ethnic groups unable to influence immigration policy in their own interests will eventually be displaced by groups able to accomplish this goal.” – Kevin MacDonald, Culture of Critique, Ch. 7, Jewish Involvement in Shaping
U.S. Immigration Policy
http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/CofCchap7+Ref.pdf
Captainchaos on 10 Apr 2009 at 12:53 am #
Israeli military strategist Martin van Creveld talks about ethnically cleansing Palestinians with nuclear holocaust against European cities used as blackmail against opposition in the West:
“Iran can never be threatened in its very existence. Israel can. Indeed, such a threat could even grow out of the current intifada. That, at least, is the pessimistic opinion of Martin van Creveld, professor of military history at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. ‘If it went on much longer,’ he said, ‘the Israeli government [would] lose control of the people. In campaigns like this, the anti-terror forces lose, because they don’t win, and the rebels win by not losing. I regard a total Israeli defeat as unavoidable. That will mean the collapse of the Israeli state and society. We’ll destroy ourselves.’
In this situation, he went on, more and more Israelis were coming to regard the ‘transfer’ of the Palestinians as the only salvation; resort to it was growing ‘more probable’ with each passing day. Sharon ‘wants to escalate the conflict and knows that nothing else will succeed’.
But would the world permit such ethnic cleansing? ‘That depends on who does it and how quickly it happens. We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: “Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.” I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.’”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/sep/21/israelandthepalestinians.bookextracts
Let us be honest with ourselves this far, if nationalist governments ever came to power in Europe, which were unerringly bent on repatriating all non-Whites to their native lands – which is necessary to secure life for the European peoples – and dealt with Jewry in a way commensurate to the threat they pose to the existence of our people, Israel would threat use of the “Samson Option.” So, our people are not accept our genocide, with a loaded gun pressed to our collective temple.
I have given you the evidence, from reputable ‘mainstream’ sources. No reasonable man can now deny the truth.
And surprise, surprise, it seems Takimag had the temerity to publish a piece by that filth van Creveld:
http://www.takimag.com/site/article/rethinking_1948/
And I, and none of you, are allowed any longer to comment there.
If you will not stand with your people now, now knowing the truth, you are not men.
Captainchaos on 10 Apr 2009 at 1:25 am #
That should read: “So, our people are to accept our genocide, with a loaded gun pressed to our collective temple.”
And why should we? Why? Because it is “good for the Jews?”
When all that makes life living in this world Jews owe to our race.
Why?
Our people are good and loved by us, and we believe they ought live.
Now I hope you will understand my commitment, and I hope it will be yours as well; ‘To do whatever we must to be forever ourselves.’
Captainchaos on 10 Apr 2009 at 5:48 pm #
Why has my ‘Samson Option’ comment not made it through “moderation”? It is critical information that needs to be widely disseminated.
Weaver on 11 Apr 2009 at 2:22 am #
Captain,
Do you have a reason to believe van Creveld personally holds dual standards?
Your case against him seems to be based on an assumption. Van Creveld is interested in defending his people, and he ought to be able to.
Weaver on 11 Apr 2009 at 2:24 am #
Captain wrote:
That’s likely due to your postings, haha.
Chronicles is censoring now, btw.
Weaver on 11 Apr 2009 at 3:04 am #
Sounds like an excellent reason to get out of the Middle East and end dual citizenship and foreign aid. Trade and goodwill, but no meddling.
But that really has nothing to do with deporting illegal immigrants. Ethnic cleansing is not what we’re discussing here – this is an illegal invasion we’re repelling. Regardless, it might be interesting to hear any who favour amnesty in the US but favour ethnic cleansing in Israel to answer as to why this is. This piece you bring up could be very useful.
Captainchaos on 11 Apr 2009 at 1:39 pm #
Who knows? Maybe it is all bluster from van Creveld. But I tend to take a man of his reputation at his word when he says something as provocative as that.
The double standard is not mine. It is theirs. ‘If it comes to it, you will give us a free hand to ethnically cleanse the Palestinian demographic ticking time bomb. Or else: we will nuke you.’
As if the significant Jewish complicity in opening the floodgates to Third World immigration and pathologizing White racial consciousness, consciously and for their own interests did not stand?
Give me a break.
Besides, I really see no evidence that Jews think a cosmopolitanized police state of deracinated multi-ethnics, even including significant numbers of Muslims, is not preferable to them. I recall a speech in which Steven Steinlight remarked cryptically that perhaps Muslim immigrants could be submerged in the Hollywood filth Jews pump out; and thereby become good deracinated stooges. You can’t make this stuff up, I can’t find the words to fully register my disgust so I won’t bother.
Many Jews hold a favorable view of the time their ancestors spent living under Dhimmitude, a “Golden Age” they say. Why? Because they can always peddle their wares to decadent Muslim elites, as they did.
Who they really hate, who they really fear, who they really want to phase out, is the White race. Because, as always, Jews know the score; Muslims are a low IQ rabble that is ultimately more easily controlled.
It is not to do with Jews ‘defending their people’, it is their satanic exploitation of other peoples, who, after no longer being of any use to them, after having been consumed by them, will be thrown away like trash.
I am hard pressed to believe Jews are capable of adhering to any moral standard we would recognize.
Captainchaos on 11 Apr 2009 at 2:04 pm #
This is largely the problem of swimming around in the culturist miasma of verbiage: Jews own the casino, they have the game rigged, and they are just plain better at it than we, or anyone for that matter.
For instance, Jews and Bolshevism; no, they weren’t really Jews, they were atheists and Communists who had forsaken their Jewish identity, as if one can just shed what one IS at will. LOL!
Sociobiology tells us what was really going on. Jews sought to decapitate the Russian people by liquidating Russian elites and occupying that position themselves.
That is what Jews want, to rule over the remains of a genetically ruined goyim. That is what Jews want, that is what Jews do, because that IS what Jews are.
Do you dispute that?
Weaver on 11 Apr 2009 at 2:14 pm #
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Yes, he believes this is necessary for Israel’s survival. It’s his country – what business is it of ours? Many Palestinians feel the same (in reverse).
What’s relevant is: does he personally hold a dual standard on America or some other state? If not, it’s not very interesting unless perhaps someone else, in his support of this, holds a dual standard.
This might be useful, but you’ve got to have the other piece.
Gottfried writes in his latest piece at takimag:
This hypocrisy, where it exists, is what could be useful to highlight. Ask these people point blank: why is America not like Israel? That’s surely the way to go.
I’m partially in agreement with Dr. Gottfried (only partially because I don’t know enough to fully agree) that there is simply not a grand conspiracy of Jews to destroy the West and develop Israel. However, there clearly are some who do wish for this, or who unwittingly support a dual standard.
Surely the way to fight these cases, where they exist, is to reveal them to the light of day.
Kirt Higdon on 11 Apr 2009 at 2:17 pm #
What Van Creveld says was (in slightly different words) said to me by an Israeli paratroop captain in 1970. So I think the mad dog image is one that the Israelis like to project. But do they really mean it? “It can often be to your advantage for people to think you’re crazy; it’s never to your advantage to actually BE crazy.” I don’t remember who said that, but it’s worth quoting.
Captainchaos on 11 Apr 2009 at 3:26 pm #
Have I got a treat for you, dear readers. It seems there is wide spread support for eugenics in Israel. But, of course, eugenic practices are exhorted in the Talmud, so this is really nothing new.
(From a Jewish academic journal.)
http://www.whatwemaybe.org/txt/txt0001/Hashiloni-Dolev.Yael.2006.Israel-Jewish%20eugenics.pdf
Captainchaos on 11 Apr 2009 at 3:59 pm #
“…that there is simply not a grand conspiracy of Jews to destroy the West…”
You do us no favors by framing the issues affecting our survival in the language of our enemies. “Anti-Semitic canards!” LOL!
Not conspiracy, but readily verifiable connectivities (in Jewish sources written by Jews) the result of extraordinary group cohesion, aptitude and motivation.
Richard Perle: ‘We’ve got to get rid of these hostile Arab regimes! They threaten IsraHell! Neo-conservatism is the only suitable governing philosophy for a modern democratic state.’
Later: ‘What neo-conservatism? No such thing. Invade Iraq? Wasn’t us. It was those goys Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld.’
LOL!
Stupid goys.
The Question: Is the death of the West suicide or murder? And if it is assisted suicide – that is the patient is induced to want it, or at least to not care is he lives or dies, or information is withheld from him that he is in fact dying – is that not murder?
Of course Gottfried can’t be bothered with questions like that because it wouldn’t be “good for the Jews.”
Why is it more important to you goys to protect the Jews than your own people?
Weaver on 11 Apr 2009 at 4:07 pm #
I’m not defending Jews. Why the Hell can’t I communicate with you? Where is the disconnect?
This is bonkers.
Captainchaos on 11 Apr 2009 at 4:36 pm #
“Where is the disconnect?”
Do you believe that if the whole, unvarnished truth were to come out and be widely accepted amongst the goyim that they would, in a fit of rage, or in cold calculated fashion, attempt to exterminate the Jews?
I believe that to be your position. If so, I think you believe you are acting towards moral ends by protecting the Jews from an alleged impending wrath. Perhaps you are not even fully conscious of it. But you must recognize that is the way you are expected to think, because it is useful to them.
And, that is the problem with continuing on with this Holohoax nonsense. IT IS A TOOL THEY USE! How? By inculcating in stupid goys an unjustified sympathy towards them. By erecting the strawman that too vociferous criticism of Jews, accurate criticism of Jews, will eventually lead to extermination; without the obvious answer that much, much less extreme answers to the problem are feasible and the only ones morally defensible.
There was no Holocaust. This can be demonstrated scientifically.
That is my position, am I wrong?
Weaver on 11 Apr 2009 at 4:50 pm #
Yes, they have great power in the US. Yes, they tend to be liberal. Yes, they tend to support Israel. When I have I ever suggested otherwise?
That’s not enough. All I’m trying to say is: there’s need for specific evidence of dual standards. Generalities = fail.
Wrong. Fail.
The Question: Can the West be defended? And if so, how?
There’s no need for a blame game. The wicked will be judged in the next life. Our goal in this life: to do good.
Please stop using this debate tactic. It’s fit for undermensch.
Weaver on 11 Apr 2009 at 4:54 pm #
There’s no truth to fear…
As far as I know. You claim to have concrete evidence that it doesn’t exist, but you refrain from challenging the lead authorities to a debate.
Refraining from debating lead authorities, but seeking to debate me = fail.
Assuming I know more than I do = fail too, lol. I’m just a guy with a keyboard. You think too highly of my education.
Captainchaos on 11 Apr 2009 at 5:00 pm #
Moreover, nothing will ever get done until WE WHITES, as a group, address YOU JEWS as a group.
Not more of this, ‘Well, he’s a good Jew. He is the exception that disproves the rule.’ When in fact that ‘good Jew’ is primarily loyal to Jews, and has a vested interest in never allowing the correct interpretation to gain wide acceptance that it is Jews AS A GROUP that is the problem.
What? These few ‘good Jews’ will be able to rein in their co-ethnics? Please. After thousands of years of the same old shit I think we can safely stick a fork in that notion. And, after thousands of years of the same old shit I think we can safely say that Jews AS A GROUP are inherently disposed towards the deleterious (to us!) behaviour they engage in. In other words, it is genetic.
If ANYONE can poke ONE damn hole in any of that I’d dearly love to see it.
And why do I care, why am I so animated? Because the existence of our people hangs in the balance, and therefore this is not a game. If we don’t get this right our people will die, bank on it.
Weaver on 12 Apr 2009 at 4:42 am #
I thought for a bit on where the disagreement is, and this is what I’ve come up with:
You say it is in Jewish interests to destroy America. I say it is against their interests – they will have to flee the new immigrants (in the distant future) who do not like them because they are white.
You seem to believe Jews do act in their best interests. I believe Jews are like the rest of humanity: clueless and partly insane. Humanity tries to do what is right, but often acts against desired results. Jews are more ethnic oriented than are Europeans, but they’re human so they make incredible mistakes as do Europeans. The Iraq War was intended to be in Israel’s interests, but it resulted as very much against its interests. An attack on Iran will be similarly stupid. Jews are human, and so they’re crazy and clueless just like the rest of us. If Likud (and also the far right wing) has its way, Israel will be driven into the sea, despite that Likud desires to prevent this very scenario. Why is this? Because Likud is a human political party that doesn’t know what it’s doing. Whether Israel is or isn’t driven into the sea isn’t of much concern to me except that events there are affecting America (I cannot be concerned with every global state when my own people are headed for disaster).
You say Jews can do nothing but harm to Americans, in part due to special genetic adaptations. I say they can help America, and I do not accept the same degree of genetic adaptation. There is no reason why Europeans and Jews, who do not view themselves as European, cannot work together.
You fear that Gottfried will be made into a leader that Gentiles will follow to their doom. I do not wish for Gentiles to blindly follow Gottfried, but I find the man brilliant and worth reading. There is clearly a conflict of interest between Gottfried and myself, because I do not value Israel while he does, but this does not mean there is not shared interest as well. Ironically, Gottfried (appears to me) closer to your views, on issues not relating to Jews, than probably the majority of paleos. Yes, he’s only one person, but so what? He does good for both groups, and so he should be allowed to and praised for it.
You might want some sort of revenge against Jews. I’m willing to forgive and forget. What’s important is results, not justice, especially not justice against another group or against an historical group offense.
We both wish that multiculturalism be criticised and that the tendency of out groups within a society to move to the left is revealed and acknowledged. Among these out groups are Jews, and it is important who is in control of culture (e.g. Hollywood) and media. Currently Jews are very powerful in these areas, and this is clearly problematic because they are an out group. However, it’s also understandable why they (as an out group) tend to be left wing. So, there’s no need for vengeance, but there is a need to rectify this problem. I don’t think Americans would accept any sort of complicated policy, and I don’t think the American democracy is capable of any sort of complicated policy (democracy = rule by herd). I do not know what the solution here is, but stating the problem would appear part of the solution, and the problem is multiculturalism and out groups within multiculturalism.
Similarly, they’re very involved in finance, banking, and gambling. However, these things should be changed. Regardless of ethnicity or religion, this system should be changed to be within Christian morality which would not allow for the system currently in place (e.g. no speculation and no usury).
Both of these areas (culture/media and finance/banking) are very powerful, but I think it happenstance that Jews went this route. They’re well suited for these occupations, not scheming of power. And this is important because yet again there’s no need for vengeance.
I’m interested in thwarting the invasion from Mexico that is taking place right now. Anyone who similarly wishes to thwart this should be welcomed to join. Most Jews continue to support the invasion, but then again so do most of other ethnic minorities. The difference? Jews are very capable, powerful, and committed. At any time should one achieve a degree of clarity, realising the invasion will create a great disaster, he should be welcomed aboard.
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You continue to post Jewish ethnic oriented articles as a way of criticising Jews, but it seems rather that you should praise these individuals for this and seek to apply the same standards elsewhere (Frank Salter’s idea of universal nationalism). But you believe this would be a waste of time somehow – something that does not compute with me.
My goal is not to attack Jews. My goal is to defend America. You do not see a difference between attacking Jews and defending America because you think Jews are to blame for the vast majority of America’s problems and incapable of changing.
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A related problem: Muslims in Europe. Europeans go on and on about how Muslims don’t fit within liberal European society. What they should be interested in is defending Europe, not attacking Muslims. Attacking another group can be a distraction, in addition to being immoral and such but you already have said you suspect I don’t wish to attack Jews because I don’t want violence, and I’m saying here there is more to this issue than a desire to prevent violence. The ultimate desire is results in defense of America.
Captainchaos on 12 Apr 2009 at 2:03 pm #
I do not believe most Jews can help themselves. It may well be that at the end of the road their group evolutionary strategy proves unadaptive and results in the opposite of what they seem to believe they can achieve for themselves. Yet, I see no reason to believe their behavior is remediable. I want Jews removed from positions of influence in White societies and replaced with Whites who are loyal to our race. I want separation from Jews. Jews have no natural right to feed off the body of our people.
The Jews should be resettled elsewhere. It has happened scores of times before, this time it cannot be within any White country.
We must secure the existence of our people. We cannot have been brought to the precipice of destruction, only have avoided oblivion by a hair’s breadth, and still allow any possibility of it happening again. We must have Final Victory.
Weaver on 13 Apr 2009 at 1:48 am #
Jews will surely be won over; I see no reason to oppose Jews as a group.
Regardless, whites, blacks, and Latinos (the average people not the leaders) all oppose mass immigration. I don’t know about Jews. That’s a huge potential for stopping this invasion.
And the battle of elites you’re obsessed with is currently over the battle of the southern border. The border should be what you’re focused on right now as far as politics goes.
The Federal Reserve and corporate elite can similarly be opposed as monstrous entities, and many of these people are Jewish. So your elite enemy would be harmed here by simply backing the populist flow.
And this elite is, as said earlier, acting against Jewish interests too. So, this isn’t a secret attack on Jews.
Weaver on 13 Apr 2009 at 1:58 am #
I always hear it said, from the Jewish obsessed, a need to “name the Jew”.
Why group these people in with Jews and unite Jews against the rest of us? Why create an enemy?
These specific Jews are enemies of Jews as a group as well. There is mutual interest.
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Regarding removing Jews: Jewish groups frequently complain of intermarriage with white Gentiles as their greatest threat. They don’t seem to like the current situation either.
But scaring them with talk of deporting them “somewhere” isn’t going to win them over.
I would love for my state to become Christian again. Decentralisation seems the best strategy for avoiding the coming Balkanised conflict.
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I don’t have the leisure time to follow and then calculate politics. So, I shouldn’t even comment here (regarding elites and movements etc) except that I think you’re mistaken is obsessing about Jews constantly.
People are very interested in opposing mass immigration, but you pretty much destroy that with talk of Jews. That doesn’t mean they’re “lemmings” as you’ve said before – that means they’re people who realise mass immigration is a problem.
Perhaps that I don’t have the leisure time required makes me a “lemming” too. I just want to stop the invasion; if you have leisure time, then go start your own site and lead on.
Captainchaos on 13 Apr 2009 at 8:36 pm #
I suggest you read Kevin MacDonald’s three books regarding Jews. Or at least read his Vdare articles and those on his website.
I used to think as you do, before having done that. No longer.
Weaver on 14 Apr 2009 at 7:02 am #
I told you previously that I’ve read K. McDonald’s books.
Look up what he said regarding Jews in the South in his most recent book: specifically that they were supporting of that system.
While you’ve stated previously that you have no love for my nation, the South, regardless there’s an example, by your expert, of Jews acting for the betterment of society. That’s not to say I’m defending multiculturalism – only that there’s the example you requested.
He does also say they were tough slave masters. I haven’t read much on Jews in the South, but I’m unaware of leftist activity by them there either. There was a large (600) settlement of Jews in Charleston, SC.
Weaver on 14 Apr 2009 at 7:04 am #
It’s interesting that K. MacDonald has also mentioned a lack of logical justification for his fight for his people since he’s not religious.
Captainchaos on 15 Apr 2009 at 8:45 pm #
“It’s interesting that K. MacDonald has also mentioned a lack of logical justification for his fight for his people since he’s not religious.”
Given that you cannot prove God exists, you still feel the need to worship; why?
I suspect you both are satiating a biological drive.
“Look up what he said regarding Jews in the South in his most recent book: specifically that they were supporting of that system.”
And then they smashed what remained. Freedom riders? NAACP as a front for Jewish ethnic interests? Communist agitation with the CPUSA having usually around 50% of its membership Jews?
When your house begins to creak in a unsettling fashion you just might have termites.
Rhetorical question: Why is it that Michael Hart can have his kosher racist get together without trouble with booking, but David Duke (who Hart referred to as a “Fucking Nazi!” in a fit of petulance at an Amren conference) consistently has his reservations canceled?
Weaver on 16 Apr 2009 at 5:40 am #
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This is at a later date and the result of mass immigration of Eastern European Jews.
The point being the same as what McDonald was making: that Jews don’t by nature undermine societies. It’s not that simple. And really I wonder if Gottfried noticed McDonald’s point because Gottfried’s linked article seems to ignore it.
Jews in Palestine, it’s sometimes said, lived peacefully with Christians and Muslims in the Muslim dominated society, and the same in Lebanon, before the European Jews entered. Though the Sephardic and Ashkenazi are very different also, so this might not disprove your point. Because when you say “Jew” you really mean “Ashkenazi Jew”.
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This type of thing is changing. This surely won’t be the case in another few years – in part because I think Jews will grow to see others as greater threats than whites, and in large part because Jews are losing their moral leverage. Also, whites in the US are growing more radical in response to Obama, in response to the downturn, and (perhaps in the future) in accord with the rising far right in Europe.
There’s plenty of proof. How else did Creation get here? How can you take pride in your people if you believe they’re evolved pond scum…
Weaver on 16 Apr 2009 at 6:22 am #
America is not a white nation. It is a multinational state on the verge of Balkanisation.
It will then be necessary for different groups to work together. At present most groups unite around one thing: a dislike of whites. This is very dangerous for whites.
Did you see Sharpton’s recent video calling Somali pirates “voluntary coast guards”? Could his black nationalism be any more blatant? These different groups in America, Jews included, hate America. And it’s important to improve relations with these other groups. It’s important to win them over. Jews, since they are mostly white even if not identifying as such, are the readiest ally, largely because no one else would ally with them – the others all seeing them as white. Jews are stuck with whites in America whether they like it or not, and they’re quite powerful at the moment. So it seems natural that the two should work towards the same goals right now.
K. MacDonald’s history should be taught and fully known. The Jewish Holocaust moral supremacy should then be removed (it happened but events have occurred since then). And Gentiles should be wary of nonChristians, including Jews. But, there’s not a need to attack or hate them. That’s all I’m saying.
“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”
“[I]t is better to recapture an army entire than to destroy it.”
Captainchaos on 16 Apr 2009 at 8:58 pm #
First: “The point being the same as what McDonald was making: that Jews don’t by nature undermine societies.”
Then: “Because when you say “Jew” you really mean “Ashkenazi Jew”.”
When MacDonald says “Jew” he mostly means Ashkenazi Jew. Around 90% of Jewry are Ashkenazi Jews. So what is your point?
Sephardic Jews were very naughty in Spain around the time of the Inquisition, btw.
“This type of thing is changing.”
I’ll believe it when I see it. Until Jews like Hart are willing to debate openly men like Duke and MacDonald, stop mumbling nebulously about preserving Western Civilization and start talking about preserving the White race genetically, and focus their efforts on reining in their co-ethnics Whites should have nothing to say to them.
“…in accord with the rising far right in Europe.”
It is my feeling that a real rise in White racial consciousness in America will follow MSM coverage of breakthroughs by nationalist parties in Europe.
“America is not a white nation.”
It was once, it can be again.
“At present most groups unite around one thing: a dislike of whites. This is very dangerous for whites.”
Uh, I think you have that backwards. Let me put it to you this way, if we could put a million White men in the field who were fanatically committed to fighting for their race unto death, it would be a curb side stomp in our favor.
“It is a multinational state on the verge of Balkanisation.”
I am a proponent of egging on balkanization. That will provide the lemmings with proper incentive for a complete reconquest of North America. We do not need non-Whites, they need us. Their proximity to our race which permits inter-breeding is an existential threat to our people.
Weaver on 17 Apr 2009 at 10:11 pm #
Yes… War would be wonderful… (sarcasm)
Look, I’m interested in working with different groups for common goals that can be achieved now, such as opposing this amnesty, which will likely reduce future conflicts.
That’s wonderful to get [any] people ethnic oriented, but when dealing with politics today the majority of whites are not ethnic oriented, and by “ethnic oriented” I mean more than “white” amalgam of course (e.g. Southern, Celtic, German, etc.).
When dealing with politics today, right now, your lofty ideals do no good. Were you to show up at some big anti-amnesty rally, you’d likely sell the amnesty.
For example: a lot of the so called “conservative” political types seem to be “Judeo-Christian” or otherwise pro-Israel. They oppose the amnesty, but they like Jews, Israel, and war against Muslims. To stop amnesty, these types have to be won over. I’m doubtful they exist outside of political activists though, because I never meet run into these people outside of a few activists.
Absurd. There should generally be a readiness to work with others where there’s agreement. There should generally be attempts to influence and slowly win over opponents, despite past events.
Politics attracts the worst from society. There’s no way to work with it without working with unethical people and people who have very different overall interests.
Weaver on 17 Apr 2009 at 10:35 pm #
I challenge you find one instance where I’ve done this here.
Captainchaos on 18 Apr 2009 at 12:50 am #
Non-Whites, excluding Jews, are not interested in political activism. Hispanic activists are self-serving hacks every bit as plugged into globalism as, say, McCain, whose child has a high up in La Raza as a godfather. Blacks and Hispanics will never swallow the bitter pill of immigration restriction because, well, they may be dumb, but they ain’t stupid, they recognize the real motivation is to keep out non-Whites; which then begs the question in their minds of why that would be a ‘good’ thing. Answer: Blacks and Hispanics are genetically inferior when it comes to building orderly, livable societies. They will never abide that notion. And all Roy Beck’s esoterica is breath wasted on them.
They will keep trying to ram through amnesty again and again, until they succeed. They will eventually get their “hate speech” laws passed. The Baghdad like violence (beheadings!) we see from the Mexican cartels will eventually spill far north of the border, and if Whites defend themselves from such animals in commensurate fashion I wouldn’t be surprised to see those individuals charged with “hate crimes” and placed in prison to be brutalized gang-style by said animals. Read the writing on the wall, the logical conclusion of all this is the extermination of our race. Any and all means are on the table to prevent that.
(Moralistic twits cluck their tongues about “evil Nazis” but haven’t the slightest clue just what kind of barbarism Germans were faced with on the Eastern Front, and what it took to combat it – and their opponents were White for that matter.)
If in the end, that is the cost to us in securing the existence of our race, it is very least we can do but to ask the Jews to leave, with haste. The blood of our people will be on their hands.
Weaver on 18 Apr 2009 at 1:41 am #
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The majority of every major ethnic group (probably not Jews) in the US opposes amnesty, and I believe mass immigration in general (at least at current levels). The leaders are another thing, but this majority could be helpful. You blur “activist” with average man, but the average people I want to say oppose mass immigration. I’ll have to check VDARE, though I’m sure that’s another site you don’t like.
Regardless, Beck’s target audience is whites. Whites would flee were Beck more racial. He runs a political org that seeks results now, not a cultural org that attempts to build future results 10 years from now. Both types are important to any political agenda.
What of the past? There was a time when blacks accepted they scored lower on average IQ tests and were willing to work where they were personally best suited rather than demanding statistical “equality”. You say this could never happen, but it already has happened before. The group that currently has trouble accepting inequality is Europeans.
However they rationalise it, latinos and blacks can feel the economic impact.
If referring to me, I certainly haven’t called them “evil”. I think Hitler should have tried to prevent war with Britain, but war with the Soviet Union was all but inevitable. And there were atrocities committed by the Allies aplenty, just as with the Axis. Obviously I don’t like the Holocaust anymore than I like the Gulag.
The BNP is currently rising fast in Britain, and it’s championing… take a gander. Brits aren’t German, and neither are Americans. Until some time has passed, perhaps after the WWII survivors have mostly perished, this won’t change.
There are plenty of groups that don’t like Jews – historic and present – if you’re just interested in opposing Jews.
Weaver on 18 Apr 2009 at 3:56 am #
VDare site is down during a donation drive.
Captainchaos on 18 Apr 2009 at 2:36 pm #
“And there were atrocities committed by the Allies aplenty, just as with the Axis.”
I take it as axiomatic that if Germany had been victorious the White race would not be staring into the abyss now. Only a few voices, Lindbergh among them, told of the true stakes involved.
Hitler was absolutely justified in ordering commissars and partisan insurgents be summarily executed. As for the “Holocaust”, I don’t believe there was an orchestrated program of extermination directed against Jews; if I did I would condemn it, but I don’t.
Why is it that Zionists were willing to cooperate with the Nazis if they believed Nazis were madmen bent on their extermination? It doesn’t wash.
“There are plenty of groups that don’t like Jews – historic and present – if you’re just interested in opposing Jews.”
I’m interested in a stable, sustainable world order in which all peoples can enjoy their peoplehood; for that to come into being the White race must have predominance of power, and Jewish power must be nullified.