April
24th 2010
Posted under Immigration
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer today signed Arizona’s common-sense immigration bill into state law, which will make it a state crime to be in the U.S. illegally. Third World cheerleader Barack Hussein Obama already schemes to torpedo this legislation, but let’s hope that Arizona just ignores his anti-occidental connivances. And let us hope that more states follow suit. Perhaps states could add language to future bills stating that they do not recognize the authority of federal courts or the attorney general to review state immigration laws. Now, that would be impressive.
Matt Weber on 24 Apr 2010 at 4:31 am #
The arrogance of the Feds is unbelievable. After ignoring the border problem for 40 years, they’re now offended when one state recognizes their apathy for what it is. One can only hope more laws are passed.
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HarrisonBergeron2 on 24 Apr 2010 at 12:47 pm #
This is big — the battle lines between the multicults in DC and the people of the States couldn’t be clearer.
It’s encouraging to see there’s still some fight left in the American people.
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S.L. Toddard on 24 Apr 2010 at 2:09 pm #
It took a sovereign state to do what the general government was too aloof and incompetent to do. Let us hope Americans on the right perceive the significance of this act.
If, somehow, ethnic Americans take back our republics and the general government that was formed to serve them, this act will be looked upon as the first significant step in that process.
HUZZAH!
HarrisonBergeron2 on 24 Apr 2010 at 2:44 pm #
S.L. Toddard,
Exactly! The war has begun.
Matt Weber on 24 Apr 2010 at 2:50 pm #
The real test will be what happens when DC tries to declare the law unconstitutional, or shut it down by some other means. Will Arizonans just meekly surrender or start a real revolt?
S.L. Toddard on 24 Apr 2010 at 3:07 pm #
The Principles of ’98 need vocal, prominent advocates.
HarrisonBergeron2 on 24 Apr 2010 at 3:38 pm #
Matt Weber,
That’s the big question!
Bede on 24 Apr 2010 at 8:04 pm #
BisT,
Give me a break. Stop with the bleeding heart tripe. People will not have to “produce papers to stay out of jail.” Authorities are instructed to look into citizenship status where there’s probable cause (which usually can be ascertained by the running of a social security number) – just as the federal authorities are now instructed to do (but often do not do). By your logic, comparable to globalist libertarianism, authorities don’t have the “right” to check into the citizenship status of people – thus opening the door for the masses of the Third World to immigrate to the West.
This is truly a great piece of legislation. I hope many more states follow suit.
Many European countries are currently passing similar legislation to check citizenship status – as well as other laws to pay people to leave their countries.
There’s a glimmer of hope in the West. Stand, men of the West!
Update: VDare discusses the bill here and here.
Myke on 24 Apr 2010 at 8:10 pm #
Why are we letting La Raza and Mexican leaders play the good guy. Like all they want is for their people to have their rights to the American Dream. Let them give them a Mexican dream.
Why is noone talking about Mexico’s involvement. Mexico is a wealth country. They could have easily provided decent paying jobs for the people, decades ago. Why is noone asking them why they let their people live in poverty or forced them to cross the border to feed their families. Why is noone publizing the shame these people should feel. While they live their lavish lifestyles supported in a big way by the money illegals send back to their families. This money is Mexico’s second highest income. Money illegals get here and doesn’t go back into our economy. We should be screaming from the rooftops about Mexico and its corrupt leader/politicians not providing jobs for their people. And for letting Americans bring their businesses there and pay their people slaves wages. Do you think they do not charge these companies to build there and exploit their people? Carlos Slim, the man who “owns” Mexico just passed Bill Gates in wealth. Look it up.Shame on this man and Mexicos leaders
Myke on 24 Apr 2010 at 8:21 pm #
We need to support Sheriff Joe and all the people in AZ who were brave enough to do this. They are truly fighting to keep America from becoming a third world country.
Americans fought and sometimes died for every right we have. We fought for better wages and safer working conditions. And now Obama wants to give these rights to people who are here bankrupting our schools, our hospitals, our jails/prisons, and our welfare system. They say they only take jobs Americans won’t do. That is not true. Here in Vegas in the casinos the culinary union is almost all Latino. Maids, kitchen help, etc. Jobs that black and white Americans used to have.
They don’t do jobs that Americans won’t do. They do jobs that Americans won’t do for slaves wages. They undercut our wages. The amnesty lovers try to tell us that illegals don’t get welfare. But every family that has an anchor baby gets welfare. This must stop. And if Obama and his thugs won’t stop it then the states must do what AZ is doing. Tell La Raza to create jobs in Mexico and bring their people home. Amnesty is a scheme to turn us into a third world country. They want open borders from Mexico to Canada. And a dictator country.
Judy NC on 24 Apr 2010 at 9:32 pm #
My congratulations to Gov. Brewer for taking a stand against illegal aliens. It is about time somebody did since the current government is too busy giving our country away. All governors should be willing to take a stand to take back America and put it in the hands of “WE THE PEOPLE” where our founding fathers intended for it to be. Americans are tired of working and having their taxes and social security used to support people who are not a legal part of the USA. I’m NOT against foreigners. They are welcome as long as they are willing to come legally, learn English and adapt themselves to our laws and our customs. Thank you, Gov. Brewer, for taking a strong stand! I applaud you!
Sean Scallon on 25 Apr 2010 at 3:24 am #
I support the police checking immigration status of those in brings into custody or companies it raids for probable cause of harboring illegal immigrants. But but let’s say you are Hispanic but are a U.S. citizen. You’ve lived as a citizen in Arizona for a long time. What if some cop decides to pull you over just because you look like an illegal immigrant even you are not and says basically “Prove to me you are not a criminal.” That’s not jurisprudence nor is it fair. Police all over the country are not always consistent with what they think is “probable cause.” Harassment may very well trigger civil rights cases that court may interpret that would throw out even sensible immigration law.
As we all know, the reason these series of laws were passed is the Federal Government’s clear failure to control the border’s of this country. It has led to an increase in the welfare state, it has led to exploitation and it has led to increases in crime with tragic results. The Feds won’t do anything and what they do want to do will make the problem worse. This is why Arizona has taken the stand it has to deal with this problem. The law say declares persons not citizens or without work permits here illegally. The Feds do not enforce this, so Arizona and Maricopa County are doing it for them.
However, and this just my personal opinion, I think they went too far with this particular provision. I doubt if a Barry Goldwater Sr. would support it. And one may distain libertarians but its hard to see how to sustain libertarian support in Arizona or across the country for at least controlling the border in order to provide the best solution to the problem when one of the end results is checkpoints.
Bede on 25 Apr 2010 at 4:00 pm #
BisT, actually I’m a big fan of Japan’s immigration policy. More power to them. As a Japanese man told me, they want their country to remain distinctly Japanese — not to be flooded by people from Africa and India.
Historically speaking, the requirements of this bill are quite mild. Countries throughout history have made the distinction between citizen and non-citizen – between who can be there and who cannot be there. There is a long precedent of enforcing such distinctions in the U.S. President Eisenhower’s “Operation Wetback” enforced this distinction, in a much tougher way than this bill will. And if one goes farther back in history, one can find more stringent requirements for citizenship proof. In many cities in the ancient Greek world, for instance, in order to prove one’s own citizenship one would have to prove citizenship of his paternal and maternal ancestors back for three generations.
Sean, as a proponent of localism, I thought you would support this bill in principle. Localities will differ from each other on how they want to govern themselves. It is quite natural for localities to want to police who can be there and who cannot be there. To seek to overturn such local initiatives by an appeal to an abstract position of individual liberty – I think it’s wrong because of an appeal to abstractions X, Y and Z – you could rob a locality of the basic function of self-preservation. You might end up usurping localism in the name of abstract principles.
S.L. Toddard on 25 Apr 2010 at 5:58 pm #
I think there are good points being made all around. Like Sean Scallon and BIT, I am not particularly heartened by the specter of armed agents of the state demanding “papers”. I am not comfortable with the idea. I want to live in a country where a citizen has the right to expect to not be asked for identification if he’s doing nothing wrong or suspicious as well. And because this is happening in Arizona and I live in Massachusetts, I do. Arizona has particular and peculiar challenges to face, and has decided that this measure is necessary for the time being to address them. The questions are: is Arizona’s new policy constitutional, and – quite separately – will the courts find it constitutional?
It should comfort the civil libertarians if there is a probable cause prerequisite, anyway. The degree of damage to civil liberties will be greatly dependent on how they interpret probable cause. They should be strict on that, and interpret it narrowly – even using the absolute narrowest criteria for probable cause they will be able to make a massive impact, there are so many illegals there. Perhaps it will force illegals to take a different route through a different state, sparking the new state to do the same.
Kirt Higdon on 25 Apr 2010 at 8:19 pm #
I was once stopped at a random Border Patrol checkpoint about 50 miles north of the border and required to produce identification. When I and my wife showed our US passports, we were then required to explain why we were carrying US passports within the US. (We had paid a brief visit to a Mexican border town.) I have no idea what the probable cause for stopping us was. If it was racial profiling, they must have been profiling whites. Neither my wife nor I are or look Latin, but one of the agents who stopped us looked very Latin.
Expect a lot more of that sort of thing if this Arizona idea catches on in other states and at the federal level. It won’t be such an abstraction to those stopped, jailed, and maybe even deported because they lost their ID. Beware what you wish for.
Bede on 26 Apr 2010 at 12:18 am #
You know, the Latin etymology of ‘nation’ implies link by blood; the traditional understanding of a nation, one rooted in the extended metaphor of the family, implies that people are supposed to look alike and that you should question the status of those who do not look like you. Thus, in the traditional understanding of a nation – you know, the type that has existed for at least the last 3,000 years – there would be nothing wrong with “racial profiling.” Only under the modern, left-wing propositional state would anyone find something wrong with racial profiling.
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Kirt Higdon on 26 Apr 2010 at 4:44 am #
So I should question the status of anyone who doesn’t look like me? I think I’d call that narcissism. And a concept of nation based on everyone looking alike is simply collective narcissism. One of the late Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn’s shrewd observations was that collectivisms of various sorts (nationalism, racism, class consciousness, etc.) were simply egoism hiding in the anonymity of the mob. He called this nostrism.
Ernest on 26 Apr 2010 at 11:45 am #
I am not exactly happy with the whole ‘show your papers’ thing either. It is reminiscent of what happen after 911. The ‘terrorist’ didn’t get penalized American citizens did and still are. We need to be careful as we seem to be creating a police state of sorts BUT this is all done because the federal government has purposely allowed it(dialectic?) and ignored pleas to enforce our immigration laws.
We can not as a people, culture & nation continue to ignore this very real and ever increasing problem. The current incarnation of our immigration policies and not just illegal is undermining us all across our nation.
“”So I should question the status of anyone who doesn’t look like me? “”
Well, considering that ~70%+ of the invaders are from south of the border this is common sense . Further in a border state like AZ that number is, I am sure, approaching 90%+.
“”And a concept of nation based on everyone”"
Perhaps you need to look at a picture of the founders and signers of the Constitution. Maybe even read some of what they wrote in particular about immigration.
Beth on 26 Apr 2010 at 5:37 pm #
It is about time someone had the balls to do something! As a taxpayer and citizen, I am tired of paying for illegal immigrants! I have to struggle as an American citizen while others who are illegal get benefits ‘handed to them’ – I think not! This has been going on for way too many years and it has to stop! The US has become a bunch of ‘please everyone’ instead of standing up for their country. You cannot and will not please everyone – ever!
Benjamin ben-Ze'ev on 01 May 2010 at 6:40 am #
Having lived in Japan most of my life, I’ve seen it go from an ethnically homogeneous country (relatively speaking) to what is increasingly (or surely will be) something more like contemporary Europe. Why? In no small measure because of the abysmal Japanese birthrate. (I have four children who are all Japanese citizens.) Even culturally conservative politicians have admitted that “immigration” (a more or less taboo concept as it applies to this country) is inevitable and even (with prudence) desirable. At the same time, concern about security has led to more racial profiling. I don’t get stopped by the police because I am old. But the deep-seated assumption that anyone who doesn’t look like Taro Suzuki is a “foreigner” is nonetheless irksome. I am no “multi-culturalist”; those who live here without bothering to learn Japanese or understand Japan don’t deserve to be treated “equally”…But one needn’t be an airy-fairy utopian to advocate a non-racial society.
TomPier on 07 May 2010 at 6:03 pm #
great post as usual!
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