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Wow! This is news to me.
I wish Pastor Baldwin luck, but I’m not sure how I feel about this. Like I’m not sure how I feel about the Free State Project or Christian Exodus. To move somewhere because there is more “freedom” there strikes me as overly ideological. One essential insight of paleoism is the value of family and community above mere abstractions. This seems like downplaying the former to seek after the later. You can’t just plunk unconnected people who are united only by an idea down anywhere and expect a coherent community to arise. Community is organic. Plus, Montana may be more “free,” but is it more Christian? The Panhandle of Florida retains much of its Southern and Bible Belt character, unlike anything below Tampa/Orlando.
Steve Ryker on 02 Sep 2010 at 6:47 am #
Mr. Phillips:
I read the words of your Post just a few moments ago. I wish to say simply this: These are some of the most profound words anyone could read and learn from. I literally know from personal experience that, “It’s almost ALWAYS a mistake to run TO something, IF you’re running away FROM something else.” I genuinely learned that THE HARD WAY.
It’s also just like one of the best lines Clint Black ever wrote, ever sang: “Wherever WHERE you go, THERE you are. You can run from yourself (or ANYplace, for that matter), but you won’t get far.”
What you term as “ideological” is also known as “I-F-D”: Idealization – Frustration – Depression.
You “idealize” a place – you “love it” – turns out that in many ways it might be a “New” place, but in Reality it’s just like the Old Place, and usually WORSE – and then comes Depression – you are usually MORE MISERABLE than you were before. I know – it literally happened to my family and me a few years back. We RETURNED to Texas.
Also, is it one of the worst cases of WHITE FLIGHT I’ve ever seen or heard of? Chuck Baldwin?? I’ve finally learned: WHITE FLIGHT IS WHITE COWARDICE. When will we LEARN:
WHITES have a Right to exist – JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE.
If Whites have a Right to exist, then we have a Right to exist AS WHAT WE ARE – WHITE PEOPLE.
If we have a Right to exist AS White people, then we have a Right to WHATEVER IT TAKES TO EXIST AS WHITE PEOPLE – Neighborhoods, Communities, Schools, Churches, Towns, Cities, and YES – our own NATION, if NECESSARY. We have a Right to ANYTING and EVERYTHING required TO EXIST AS WHAT WE ARE – WHITE PEOPLE.
RACIAL “EQUALITY” IS LITERALLY A MARXIST RACIST LIE. It was literally and actually MADE UP expressly by one of the most foul, underhanded, LYING Marxist organizations EVER TO EXIST: The Frankfurt School, first from Frankfurt, Germany (“oh gee, imagine that”), then COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY, in NYC.
They are actually recorded as saying that the reason for their existence was – AND STILL IS – TO DESTROY CHRISTENDOM, and thus NECESSARILY the RACE that, especially 70 – 80 years ago, made up “Christendom” – WHITE PEOPLE. What do BROWNS around the World STILL call it? Especially ‘Spics?? “THE WHITE MAN’S RELIGION,” as a recent Post HERE testifies.
If we are to survive, even more than a few more years, we must “come together,” JUST AS EVERY BROWN RACE STILL DOES TODAY. Will we have the INTELLIGENCE, and THE GUTS, to do it??
Timothy Yung on 02 Sep 2010 at 6:48 am #
I am not too sure on the Christian Exodus and Free State Project not because I object to the goal it is just that is a lot of trouble to move. Not enough people are able to move to make the project successful. I believe it is important to get liberty-minded Christian to be close to each other. This should be done on a local level though. Maybe Chuck Baldwin should have stayed and encouraged liberty-minded Christians to move to Pensocola County Area.
Bruce on 02 Sep 2010 at 11:14 am #
Obama nearly won Montana. There’s been a decent influx of people from places like California (who of course, flee diversity but don’t give up their leftist beliefs).
Wyoming seems more right wing. Idaho too.
Chris Hewlett on 02 Sep 2010 at 12:01 pm #
I love the western part of North America – less crowded and as a result more mundanely free. My experience is, however, the rarest creature out there is a conservative Christian. In Montana the people that Rev. Baldwin will most likely run into will probably be more libertine-minded Christians than liberty-minded Christians.
RedPhillips on 02 Sep 2010 at 1:17 pm #
“Maybe Chuck Baldwin should have stayed and encouraged liberty-minded Christians to move to Pensacola County Area.”
Or stayed and endeavored to make Pensacola more Christian and conservative. That was more my point. This deracination, the idea that you can just pick up and move to a better place (more liberty, better climate, a better job, etc.), strikes me as part of the problem. It is why the sense of community is being lost.
Bede on 02 Sep 2010 at 1:20 pm #
I actually love the state of Montana. I’ve thought about moving there myself – but doubt I ever will.
RedPhillips on 02 Sep 2010 at 1:25 pm #
Too cold for me. But I visited there with my family as a teen. Glacier National Park. Beautiful place.
James on 02 Sep 2010 at 2:46 pm #
Nothing against Montanta, but I agree that moving just to find a group of people who share (supposedly) your ideology is a bad idea. As bad as it might get, I’m not abandoning my home state, the place where I was born, where my family has roots and where ancestors are buried. To me, that is the essence of real conservatism, and real civilization, for that matter. The virus in the veins of modern conservatism has been the misunderstanding and fetishization of “freedom.” It has become every bit a vauge, ideological fixation just like “equality” and “justice” have become for the Left.
Bruce on 02 Sep 2010 at 10:37 pm #
I don’t know. All I think you need is family and a community. He’s taking the former with him and the Church is your latter. The Flathead valley is just west of Glacier and is a beautiful area. If I were Baptist I’d be tempted to join him there.
I also suspect he thinks the you-know-what is going to hit the fan soon. I’m not sure he’s wrong.
Matt Weber on 03 Sep 2010 at 11:09 am #
Moving somewhere to create a community strikes me as ideological. Even if it were initially successful, who’s to say how the next generation will be? While I can see moving in cases of unbearable oppression or lack of basic necessities, this is essentially fleeing. Pensacola isn’t quite that bad yet.
Steve Ryker on 03 Sep 2010 at 6:18 pm #
James, Matt:
I am only one – an unknown “nobody” (my only ‘claim to fame!’), but I for one really appreciate your thoughts. A smile and thumbs up!
However, there is another ‘side’ to it. I think there are “many” Paleo-Cons like us, but too scattered around the Country to have any practical meaning, in any way. And, from what I’ve seen, heard and read, I don’t think we’ll have ‘The Internet’ (or perhaps anything else) much longer either. The problem IS like the ‘problem’ Ben Franklin was addressing when he said, “Either we ALL hang together, or we’ll all HANG.”
Your insights are truly profound and WISE. But then there is Franklin’s words. I don’t know “the answer,” I just don’t know. Moving like Baldwin to “valhalla” seems to be “too good to be true” to work, esp. along the lines Matt points out. But then, esp. along the lines of general societal collapse that so many of us are concerned about, our greatest “tool” and “best weapon” shall be “safety in numbers,” I believe literally.
One or a few, they just “pick you off,” literally, one way or another. And it’s too late to “move” WHEN “it” hits the fan. Like I said, I don’t know, I just don’t know.
I think, however, I’m tending to “form up.”
Bruce on 04 Sep 2010 at 12:35 am #
Matt Weber,
I don’t know that there’s unbearable oppression in Pensacola but there’s unbearably oppressive heat in Pensacola.
Bruce on 04 Sep 2010 at 12:39 am #
Has anyone considered that maybe Baldwin believes that things are going to go to hell in a handbasket real soon?
Varrin Swearingen on 04 Sep 2010 at 2:14 am #
Interesting. I spoke face to face with Dr. Baldwin just a couple of months ago and he indicated he was familiar with the Free State Project. Makes me wonder what prompted him to pick Montana over New Hampshire. Maybe it was his assessment of the level of Christianity (low) in New England? Strikes me as an ideal mission field. Given the nation-leading libertarian bent of NH, substantial influx (actual…not dreamland) of pro-liberty activists, and easier travel time to FL, I woulda thought NH would have been a shoe in. Apparently not. But that’s okay, maybe MT can be the second Free State
God Bless Dr. Baldwin. I wish him overwhelming success!
V-
sunriseman on 04 Sep 2010 at 4:15 am #
one factor in him moving maybe he is seeing a real need soon to separate from the union espeically if obama makes 20 million illegals legal…
these illegals voting history in mexico shows low wisdom in them electing crooks over and over again to keep them in slavery there….
he may think america is heading for the same third world country status cause of more and more voters like this voting..
Bruce on 04 Sep 2010 at 10:37 am #
There’s other considerations for Christians as well. Homeschooling laws vary considerably between states. Montana is one of the easier states to homeschool in. New Hampshire, not show.
John and Dagny Galt on 06 Sep 2010 at 2:44 pm #
Best Wishes to Baldwin and Family!
Tending Wyatt’s Torch is indeed a most worthy venture!
Starving The Monkeys and Ending The Looterfest,
John and Dagny Galt
Atlas Shrugged, Owners Manual For The Universe!(tm)
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Dr Bob on 06 Sep 2010 at 5:54 pm #
Two thoughts. One is this. If you think that God is calling you to do something, then there is no argument of a secular nature that can stand up to that.
Second thought: Montana is the only state that has elected a member of the Constitution Party to the state legislature.
So there you have it, both spiritual and political motivation for the move. And there is no argument that sway the mind of a true believer in either arena.
SMB on 19 Sep 2010 at 6:40 pm #
“You can’t just plunk unconnected people who are united only by an idea down anywhere and expect a coherent community to arise.”
You mean like the colonization of North America in the 1600s?…because nothing less than the greatest civilization in the history of mankind resulted from that…..
Brent Nelson on 19 Sep 2010 at 7:05 pm #
It looks like he is giving up on the idea of taking America back. Assuming he takes back Montana, that is not much of a foothold to work on the rest of the country. It is on the edge of things, both in geography and population. Furthermore, as someone pointed out, Obama came close to winning in Montana. Wyoming and Idaho are much more conservative. Obama lost by much bigger margins in those states.
I totally agree with Steve Ryker’s analysis (1st one above). It is Worth Reading Again. (Coincidentally the name of my blog at MySpace.)
Rodney Sheffield on 29 Sep 2010 at 5:42 pm #
I cannot express myself as eloquently as some, I would however like to know the true reason for Pastor Baldwin and his entire family moving to Montana. ( A state which I would love to visit and a good friend of mine while I was in the U.S. Marine Corps so very often referred to as “God’s Country”) Is he running to something or away from it? I ask this as a former church member of several years, before and after his running for the U.S. Vice Presidency in 2004.
I truly like the man and his family is wonderful! I just cannot help but think he has burned all the bridges in Pensacola and the South for that matter and is now headed to “higher” ground.
All of this having been said, I often disagreed with his political views but when it came to Biblical truth, it was hard to dispute him.
Rodney M. Sheffield
Fr. John on 02 Oct 2010 at 12:12 pm #
http://thewhitechrist.wordpress.com/2010/10/01/where-are-the-pastors-of-jeremiah-315/
My take on the whole matter. I am frustrated and disheartened, for I actually liked the man’s columns, even if he is a Baptist!
Scott T. on 06 Aug 2011 at 3:09 pm #
Folks, whether you like it or not Chuck is on the money. Wake up, the time of trying to convince those around you to change has past. If you study scriptures, especially OT, the wise people always got out early, before the city fell. Study up on the destruction of Jerusalem.
I’m disheartened to read all the replies here. No one is supporting Chuck. You seem to be missing his point – it’s too late, take cover.
Get with friends and family and neighbors that are like minded. The US is about to go into a violent free-fall and you don’t want to be around a city with it does. Listen to him and quit acting like unsaved sheeple. Read your bible for once and listen to Chuck, and thank your lucky stars we still have far seeing leaders like him.
No, it’s not easy doing what he did, but it can be done. You don’t have to do exactly what he did, but take note. Prepare yourselves.
Semper Fi.
Scott
Brent Nelson on 29 May 2012 at 3:32 pm #
Does anyone have any new assessment re this ? How does it look now ? In a way, I regret that Chuck Baldwin left Pensacola. It is better to strengthen resistance where you are and flee only if necessary. Most people are stuck where they are due to their jobs and cannot flee in any event.